I do not believe gods exist…but I do not believe there are no gods.

@Setanta,

Oh it still counts, it's just a bit more thought out than "Clown!"

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@Rockhead,

you're way behind on your shopping

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@izzythepush,

But far less trenchantly descriptive . . .

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@joefromchicago,

nope

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@Setanta,

It's actually spot on. As is the relationship between Malvolio and the Clown.

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@izzythepush,

I've long been aware of the delusion under which you labor about the excellence of your understanding.

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@Setanta,

That's because you have a clarity of vision that puts the rest of us lowly mortals to shame.

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@izzythepush,

I can't say about eveyone else, but that very likely accurately describes you.

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@ehBeth,

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nope

How do you figure? When Frank says "I don't believe gods exist," that makes him an agnostic. When someone else says "I don't believe gods exist," that somehow makes them an atheist. I fail to see the distinction.

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@joefromchicago,

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How do you figure? When Frank says "I don't believe gods exist," that makes him an agnostic. When someone else says "I don't believe gods exist," that somehow makes them an atheist. I fail to see the distinction.

You are really stretching here, joefromchicago.

Atheists and agnostics share traits in common. Fords and Cadillacs do also.

The fact that an agnostic and an atheist share certain traits does not mean there is not a distinction between the two anymore than the fact that Fords and Cadillacs share traits means there are no distinctions between the those two.

C'mon, joefromchicago. You know that.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

The fact that an agnostic and an atheist share certain traits does not mean there is not a distinction between the two

What is that distinction?

And now that I have your attention, how about trying to answer my outstanding queries.

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"I do not believe gods exist." ~~Atheist.
"I do not believe gods exist, but ___________________ ."
Fill in with whatever disclaimer, double negatived or otherwise, you desire. ~Agnostic.

Joe(they crab sideways until they have to crab backwards.)Nation

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@joefromchicago,

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What is that distinction?

An agnostics is an agnostic...and an atheist is an atheist.

Jeez! Even the spelling is different.

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And now that I have your attention, how about trying to answer my outstanding queries.

I'm sorry...what were you saying?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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What is that distinction?

An agnostics is an agnostic...and an atheist is an atheist.

Jeez! Even the spelling is different.

Would the seven-year old who is using Frank's computer kindly stop screwing around? You're making Frank look like a horse's ass.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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And now that I have your attention, how about trying to answer my outstanding queries.

I'm sorry...what were you saying?

I'll repeat:

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Now, when you state "I do not have a belief that gods exist," how does that make you different from somebody who does not have a belief about the existence of any kind of god or higher power?

and

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So the statement "I do not believe in Santa Claus" includes the possibility that Santa Claus exists, correct? If that's the case, how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?

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There is absolutely no reason why a person could not be an agnostic...And is a denying Atheist...

Since, they describe themselves, as having a rejection of both, and Frank says he has no unambiguous evidence to support either...

Is he a denying theist also?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Good question, except for the quixotic and pointless inclusion of the adjective "denying." To the extent that Frank describes his position, he is an agnostic who is also an atheist and a theist. He's a sad case. Maybe he'll get professional help.

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@joefromchicago,

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Would the seven-year old who is using Frank's computer kindly stop screwing around? You're making Frank look like a horse's ass.

I'm all alone at the computer. If you want to call me a horse's ass because I answered one of your silly questions in a silly way...you should be able to do so in a more forthright way.

I am not a horse's ass, joefromchicago...and I am not an atheist. The fact that you want to call me either does not change that.

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Now, when you state "I do not have a belief that gods exist," how does that make you different from somebody who does not have a belief about the existence of any kind of god or higher power?

It doesn't. But because some pe0ple who "do not have a belief that gods exist" call themselves atheists...that does not mean that everybody who does not have a belief that gods exist is required to do so also.

One can "not have a belief that gods exist"...and be an agnostic and not an atheist.

I know, because I do not have a belief that gods exist...and I am an agnostic and I am not an atheist.

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So the statement "I do not believe in Santa Claus" includes the possibility that Santa Claus exists, correct?

The statement “I do not believe in Santa Claus” simply states what you do not believe. It indicates a lack of belief in the existence of Santa Claus. (I swear I have answered this before!)

If that's the case, how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?

How about: I do not believe in Santa Claus…in fact, I believe that Santa Claus does not exist?

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@Setanta,

SpadeMaster...that reply from Setanta is nonsense, but I probably do not have to call that to your attention. I've seen him respond to you with nonsense often enough to realize you are aware of his penchant for doing that.

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@Frank Apisa,

It's not nonsense at all. He asked a pertinent question which you would not want to answer. The statement that you do not believe that gods exist is an atheistic position. The statement that you do not believe that there are no gods is a theistic position.

That is the whole problem with this nonsensical thread. Certainly there is nonsense here--but it's yours, not mine.

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@Setanta,

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It's not nonsense at all.

Actually, your response was nonsense. And blather.

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He asked a pertinent question which you would not want to answer.

Really! Why not?

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The statement that you do not believe that gods exist is an atheistic position.

No, Setanta, it is not. That is what I am trying to get through to you people. I am an agnostic…and I have absolutely no beliefs that gods exist. I know many, many agnostics who also are completely without beliefs in gods.

We share that in common with atheists…but the simply acknowledgement of a lack of belief in gods is not sufficient to make someone into an atheist. In fact, even without “the acknowledgement”…the simple lack of a belief in gods is NOT sufficient to label someone an atheist. Babies are NOT atheists even if you people want that to be so.

Most intelligent people would realize that.

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The statement that you do not believe that there are no gods is a theistic position.

Only in the mind of headstrong atheists. It is completely logical for an agnostic to have an absence of belief that gods do not exit. “An absence of belief that there are no gods” is not the sole property of theism…just as “an absence of belief in the existence of gods” is not the sole property of atheists.

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That is the whole problem with this nonsensical thread. Certainly there is nonsense here--but it's yours, not mine.

No, Setanta...I am pretty sure it is yous!

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