Bill of Rights/ Constitution

Sorry to seem like Im dissing your choice but Ron Paul is basically irrelevant.

You libertarians need to understand the hierarchy of political strategy

1 Unapologetically and Firmly adhere to every one of your core beliefs and principles

2 Compromise enough in order to attract significant numbers of supporters

3. Make your case statement believeable and acceptable by the majority of the voters

You can only pick two of the three.

I'm just curious where you are getting your info and if it's valid.. If you could give me one example of the Ron Paul "mothership" behavior I would certainly be interested in hearing it. I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying I've never seen what you are talking about. As far as I've seen, he makes pure unwaveriug sense ALL the time. So please, enlighten us....

Romney fails all 3 of your guidelines that we libertarians "don't understand". Romney is a proven flip-flopper who compromises his integrity to gain supporters , therefore his case statement is rendered highly unbelievable and voters are not going to ignore it anymore. The ones who do support him are simply being influenced by the media because if they were to do their own homework and see what Romney is really about, they would see that Romney is just another new world order "puppet" and no less of a liar than Obama. Fortunately this is the year that the people see the media for what it is and are not going to be influenced by them. Alot of this is due to the efforts of the Paul campaign and the fact that People are waking up and Paul gains new supporters daily . You can try, but you will not be able to stop the Ron Paul tsunami of truth and sensibility- however "out of touch with reality" he may be.

Love ya, sKiTzo. I have a real soft spot for dreamers, no matter how naively unrealistic their dreams. Keep dreaming, friend. It'll help keep you focused.

see, you are all tied up in the number one item. I certainly agree that Romney is a flip flopper with no deeply held convictions but, he does not fail the other two because they are precepts of marketing the candidate.

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Pauls views on all Fed regulations, return to the gold standard, decertifyig unions, and opting out of SOcial Security and doing away with most tax credits ad deductions,(As well as doing away with income tax entirely). How about hios views o Civil Rights? hes been quite vocal about his views.All of which I neither agree with nor even find sense in.

His views on some really fringie things like allowing milk to be sold with minimal health certification (and totally unpasteurized if we cant inspect it)

I say (and I repeat myself) Many things that liberatrians say DO make some kind of naive sense (when stated naifely as he does) BUT many of the extesions of these beliefs and positions get up into the realm of silliness and loopiness.

HIS SON Rand, is openly anti civil rights, I suppose thats why Rons handlers dont wanna have any family portraits taken for the papers

Libertarians remind me of nihilists. It's easy to rail against the evils of civilization and government when you have access to well-maintained roads, fire protection and police protection, relatively safe food and drugs, mostly reliable health and dental care. Rid society of all the things libertarians call evil, and few people would survive, including most libertarians. It's easy to be a ranting critic when you're already well-fed, clothed and housed. How much easier to be a libertarian politician when you know you'll never implement your program, while there'll be so many scapegoats you can blame that on.

Lustig, Lustig. Get ahold of yourself. Allow me to assist you in coming back to reality - here is what we have so far: I posted a very legitimate question regarding the passing of bills by congress - bills that are trampling our constitution and threatening our liberties, freedoms, and personal rights. I did mention Ron Paul in the post but he was really not part of my question. You and others completely ignored the question of deep concern and chose instead to talk about Ron Paul. You said parts of my post were "silly" and went on to say that I might not pass a high school civics course and implied that Ron Paul supporters are "dreaming" and Ron Paul is not in this reality and some other jibberish about a mothership. Okay, I thought, great! Here's someone that is going to prove me wrong. Who knowws, maybe I'll come out of this a Romney supporter. So I made key points to which you had no rebuttal. Then asked you to be specific about which parts of my original post were "silly" and we could debate them. I challenged you to give me just one example of the Ron Paul "mothership" behavior and since then you have posted once or twice with the childish "dreaming" taunts and how we are so out of touch with reality. Yet, you failed to include one iota of anything to support your statements. In fact, you haven't said one thing to even show you have the minimal intelligence of an adult human being. It now becomes quite clear who is "dreaming" and the reality is that your silence is brought on by the fact that you have ZERO ammunition to debate anything in support of Romney and that when you put him up against a guy like Ron Paul, you're gonna get smoked EVERYTIME, as you now have been..

A totally unsubstaniated claim without a shred of merit.

So you agree he is a flip-flopper and let me make sure we define flip-flopper the same way: A liar. Like Obama, a president who after being elected basically **** all over his supporters by not keeping promises he made in order to get elected. In other words, he burned everyone by saying one thing to get elected and doing another once in office. You're saying Romney is a flip-flopper, a liar that is going to make all kinds of promises to get elected and will not follow through once elected. Why would you support that ?? Please convince me .. why is that a good thing?

Yes, you have to look at the big picture. The feds are turning into a monster that will soon tighten its chokehold on us. Are you going to accept the RF chip embedded underneath your skin? So that they will always know exactly where you are at at all times? By not supporting Ron Paul , you are welcoming the chip, giving up arms, you are welcoming a police state! Do a little research and get back to me.

Yes, you have to look at the big picture. The feds are turning into a monster that will soon tighten its chokehold on us. Are you going to accept the RF chip embedded underneath your skin? So that they will always know exactly where you are at at all times? By not supporting Ron Paul , you are welcoming the chip, giving up arms, you are welcoming a police state! Do a little research and get back to me.

Well, we've now left the realm of reality . . .

Have they started that yet? Because I haven't gotten mine yet.

Coast to Coast AM and their ilk do your bit in a much more entertaining way, leave it to the professionals

Does anyone have anything intelligent to say? Coast 2 Coast is a radio show for talking about conspiracy and paranormal such as Ufo's. My bit here was originally a question about how far can congress go when it comes to not upholding the US constitutionand acting in the best interest of We, the People. People who posted replies were not concerened about the question but it appears they are Romney supporters who are so brainwashed they don't evn know why they are supporting him. They couldn't come up with anything intelligible to say and now it's some moron who thinks he's on the Art Bell show. I've never seen a more clueless bunch of people who say **** and then are mentally incapable to back up what they say.

I was just now going to post links to the info that "substantiates my claim" thus giving it "merit" but then I thought this is widely publicized info and someone who is not aware of it has to have a level of ignorance beyond anybody I would care to debate with. In other words, your brain is full and incapable of processing any new information.

Here, i'll just respost this succinct post in response to your silliness.

I was wondering from where you get this stuff?
Weve gone from sampling some Ron Paul stuff to embedded RFID's under my skin. If and when that ever becomes anissue, we will have to fight it together and not depend on Ron Paul nor Barack Obama. If it ever gets as far as Congress then we need to re elect all of Congress as a lesson to them.

Stop being silly and try to stick with an issue. Ive given my views on only a few of Ron (and his sons) views and I find many of them kinda LOONEY.

Maybe Obama didnt YET keep 100% of his pst promises but he kept the substantial bulk of them (Im saying about 90%). If you look at so many of his campaign promises and look what the dudes accomplished in 1 term, and still deny them, then , well, we view truth from different poles.

Youre just entering some campaign rhetoric to help bolster the feeble Ron Paul campaign.