Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

Good grief. Eyewitnesses, character witnesses, police reports, medical reports, and now a freaking Lie Detector... And they still won't let the poor guy go! What, exactly, does the prosecution have left? Anything? At all?

All they have left is public outrage in some communities and they're trying their very best to convict someone who seems innocent so Sanford doesn't erupt into an LA riot like scene. This circus is getting pretty pathetic. These "communities" need to come to the the conclusion that the BHO look a like son might have actually been an agressor and not the innocent 12 year old the picture they've been putting out in the media kits.

Ron Reale - It would have NEVER come to that is Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers and Barack Obama didn't insert themselves where they had no bsuiness.

Exactly Michael.. the TRUTH IS COMING OUT.. Zimmerman WAS hurt exactly as was stated.. Martin WAS right near Zimmermans vehicle when he was shot.. the Evidence WILL exonerate him.

This is an historic case. It's about the flawed soul of American political correctness, desperately trying to destroy an innocent man rather than face the flawes of Progressive Liberalism.

So you think the president could pass a lie detector test? He believes that the narrative given to him in his book is the truth. Too bad there are all of those pesky records that libs like to ignore.

I don't believe anyone here, at least recently, has suggested it was an "order," lawful or not.

Your overwrought screeching is getting tiresome.

Trayvon Martin investigators: Zimmerman didn’t ID himself as watch leader; passed lie tests
By Associated Press, Tuesday, June 26

ORLANDO, Fla. — Murder defendant George Zimmerman could have defused the deadly confrontation with Trayvon Martin if he would have identified himself as a member of neighborhood watch and he passed two lie detector tests when questioned by investigators, according to a report released Tuesday.

More documents in the second-degree murder case against the 28-year-old were released that included investigators’ accounts of the night of Feb. 26, when Zimmerman killed Martin after following the unarmed teenager through a gated community in Sanford. He has pleaded not guilty and has said from the night of the fight that he feared for his life because Martin was beating him up before Zimmerman grabbed his gun in his holster and shot the 17-year-old.

Sanford detective Christopher Serino said in the report that Zimmerman at first verbally confronted Martin from his car and that the defendant and witnesses said he was too afraid of Martin to get out. Later in the encounter, Zimmerman got out of his SUV and followed Martin.

“His actions are inconsistent of those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject,” Serino wrote.

Based on his investigation, Serino recommended a charge of manslaughter to the state attorney but Zimmerman wasn’t charged until more than a month later. Serino has been reassigned to the patrol division by his request, according to a news release from Sanford police on Tuesday.

Another investigator wrote that on the night of the shooting, two computer voice stress tests they gave to Zimmerman indicated he wasn’t lying about what happened.

Zimmerman answered a series of questions by speaking into a microphone that was plugged into a computer. The answers produce a voice pattern on the computer, which are analyzed for truthfulness. It differs from traditional lie detectors, which involve wires or electrodes attached to the person that monitor pulse rates.

Results from either test are usually not admissible in court.

Orlando-based defense attorney Randy McClain said Zimmerman passing the test won’t show up at trial because Florida courts have deemed them unreliable based on a 1923 case. It established that results of scientific tests or procedures are admissible as evidence only when the tests or procedures have gained general acceptance in the particular field to which they belong.

“When it’s released to the public like this it may have effect on respective jurors and create a bias, but at the trial I don’t think it will have any bearing because it hasn’t been found to be admissible,” McClain said.

Clain said he couldn’t recall any criminal cases in Florida where a lie detector result was admitted as evidence.

He did say, though, that the defense would likely try to call attention to the fact that Serino recommended a lesser charge for Zimmerman.

“They’re going to say that the opportunity to review all interviews and didn’t recommend second-degree murder,” McClain said. “But the state is going to come back and point out that he did believe charges were appropriate. There will be a lot of back and forth, but at the end of the day I think it will hurt Zimmerman more that he had opportunity to ID himself and disobeyed the advice of the 911 operator and pursued Martin.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trayvon-martin-investigators-zimmerman-didnt-id-himself-as-watch-leader-passed-lie-tests/2012/06/26/gJQA4M3l4V_story.html

Oralloy wrote:

Nevermind his testimony, what evidence is there to prove his guilt?

He shot the kid to death. That's a fact - not even in question by anyone.

So, there's no real relation to your Italy obsession.

I think when you are caught with a kid that you just shot to death, and you followed him (look up the transcript - he admits that the cops told him not to follow him but he did anyway) and confronted him, there isn't a presumption that you are innocent in the same way as if you aren't caught at the scene with a gun that had recently been used to shoot someone.

The concept that Martin spontaneously assaulted him pretty ludicrous.

Cycloptichorn

Self defense is not a crime.

So, why didn't Zimmerman defend himself with equal force--by simply fighting back.?

Why was the use of deadly force justified or necessary?

There is no evidence that Zimmerman made any effort to defend himself with equal force against someone who was unarmed.

....Orlando-based defense attorney Randy McClain said Zimmerman passing the test won’t show up at trial because Florida courts have deemed them unreliable based on a 1923 case....

So, why didn't Zimmerman defend himself with equal force--by simply fighting back.?

I mean, this was a quasi-trained mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter

Witness 6

This witness lived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.

He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.

But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.

He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.

He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.

"The black guy was on top," he said.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

Sanford detective: Trayvon Martin never used deadly force
By FRANCES ROBLES
McClatchy Newspapers
June 26, 2012

MIAMI -- Prosecutors released another batch of evidence in the George Zimmerman murder trial Tuesday, including a statement from the lead detective that shows the investigator doubted the shooter's story, even though he passed two lie detector tests.

The State Attorney's Office released several videos and audio tapes, most of which had already been made public last week by Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara. One video released Tuesday shows new footage of Zimmerman discussing his injuries with detectives.

Prosecutors released a statement by Sanford Police Det. Chris Serino, in which he detailed the events the night of the shooting of Trayvon Martin and explained why he believed a manslaughter charge was appropriate. The police department announced Tuesday that Serino has been assigned to night patrol, but that the transfer was not a demotion.

A shorter statement had been released last month, with large sections blacked out.

Trayvon died Feb. 26 after a fight with Zimmerman. Zimmerman claims the unarmed teenager attacked him and he had no choice but to shoot, because Trayvon had reached for Zimmerman's weapon.

But the records released Tuesday show Serino said Zimmerman's injuries were only "marginally consistent with a life threatening violent episode described by him, during which neither a deadly weapon nor deadly force was deployed by Trayvon Martin."

Serino said the relative sizes of the two fighters, coupled with the fact that neither had specialized training in hand-to-hand combat, meant Zimmerman was not at any "exceptional disadvantage."

"Zimmerman, by his statements made to the call taker and recorded for review and his statements made to investigators following the shooting death of Martin, make it clear that he had already reached a faulty conclusion as to Martin's purpose for being in the neighborhood."

"His actions are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject," Serino wrote. "Investigative findings show that George Michael Zimmerman had at least two opportunities to speak with Trayvon Benjamin Martin in order to defuse the circumstances surrounding the encounter. On at least two occasions, George Michael Zimmerman failed to identify himself as a concerned resident or a neighborhood watch member to Trayvon Benjamin Martin."

At one point in the new video shot the day after the killing, Sanford Det. Doris Singleton notes that the swelling of injuries to Zimmerman's head had already died down after just a day.

Zimmerman said his nose was broken and he probably needed stitches for his head injuries, but that the wounds had already begun to heal so he did not get sutures. His hands showed no scrapes, although his head had bruising.

"He was just focused on my head," Zimmerman said of Trayvon. Zimmerman said his wife, Shellie, attended to his injuries.

"My wife is an RN student, so she went to work," Zimmerman said. "Good to keep her busy, I guess."
http://www.modbee.com/2012/06/26/2258548/sanford-detective-trayvon-martin.html

6/26/2012
Zimmerman caught on tape: Trayvon’s hands
By Jonathan Capehart

Thanks to Florida’s incredible sunshine laws, we are getting a rare look at the documents, audio and video files both the defense and the prosecution will use in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin. I spent the weekend listening to Zimmerman’s interviews with police and watching videos of him reenacting the incident. As I listened to him tell his story over and over again, one thing that jumped out at me: Trayvon’s hands.

Hours after killing Trayvon on Feb. 26, Zimmerman wrote a “narrative report” of the incident for the Sanford Police Department. After shooting the unarmed teenager, Zimmerman wrote, “The suspect sat back allowing me to sit up and said, ‘You got me.’ At this point I slid out from underneath him and got ontop [sic] of the suspect holding his hands away from his body.”

Zimmerman then told detective Doris Singleton [at the 3:32 mark of the audio tape], on the night of the shooting, what happened. “It felt like he was hitting me with bricks, so, I remember, once I shot him, I holstered my firearm and I got on top of him and I held his hands up because he was still talking,” he said. “And I said, ‘Stay down. Don’t move.’ ” A neighbor with a flashlight came out and asked if Zimmerman wanted him to call 911. Zimmerman said he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. Zimmerman said he told the person that police were already on their way. An officer arrived in less than a minute, it seems.

The next day, Zimmerman reenacted what happened the night before for police. He tells an officer, who sounds an awful lot like Christopher Serino, the gravely voiced lead investigator who ultimately had doubts about Zimmerman’s story, what happened after he shot Trayvon.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.

Zimmerman’s focus on the position of Trayvon’s hands grabbed my attention because of what Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report.He arrived moments after Officer Timothy Smith, the first officer on the scene, took Zimmerman into custody.

I then noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male wearing a gray sweater, blue jeans, and white/red sneakers laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body. (Emphasis added)

The position of Trayvon’s hands has mystified me since reading the reports in March. But Zimmerman’s recounting of what happened only deepens the mystery. How did Trayvon’s arms find their way underneath his body when Zimmerman said he held his victim’s hands “away from his body,” “held his hands up,” “pushed his arms apart,” “moved his arms apart” and “moved his hands apart”?

This makes no sense.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/zimmerman-caught-on-tape-trayvons-hands/2012/06/26/gJQAS0GB4V_blog.html

Positing a criminal conspiracy to have him killed is a bit much, IMO.

The easy way to avoid having your wife prosecuted is not to let her perjure herself.

The easy way to avoid prison time while awaiting trial is not to lie to the judge.

Zimmerman's made his bed. I have no problem letting him lay in it.

DrewDad wrote:

Positing a criminal conspiracy to have him killed is a bit much, IMO.

The easy way to avoid having your wife prosecuted is not to let her perjure herself.

The easy way to avoid prison time while awaiting trial is not to lie to the judge.

Zimmerman's made his bed. I have no problem letting him lay in it.

What a woman does wrong is always a mans fault, right?

Self defense is not a crime.