American style boxing is the newest of martial arts and/or sports derived from them, the idea of a right handed fighter leading with a left jab having arisen no earlier than the time of Jim Corbett and Jack Johnson. It has its advantages but it won't work against a man wearing armor.
Likewise karate doesn't work against armor. It does give a user the ability to use legs and feet as well as hands.
Jujitsu and judo on the other hand are medieval arts which do work against armor; armor clearly doesn't protect against chokes or arm locks and would only make being picked up and slammed into the ground worse:
But as you can see, it depends on the flexible grip on clothing which you see in contests, and at least half of it simply won't work against a person standing there nude.
Likewise every style of fighting ever devised has strengths and weaknesses and what you observe in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fighting which you see on television, is fighters who have chosen three or four such styles to study so as to never be at a loss as to ways to hurt an opponent, regardless of circumstances or situations. Those fights are stopped when a referee determines that one fighter is either getting hurt too badly or can no longer protect himself and as often as not, that happens when one fighter manages to get on top of the other so as to control the other's body, and is simply throwing punches downward at the opponent.
Without the referee in the picture, all MMA fights would be either to the death or until the guy on top determined that he had somewhere else he needed to be or something else he needed to do, and that the guy on the bottom was no longer a threat. The guy on the bottom of course would have to assume he was going to be killed, i.e. there would be no other safe assumption.
That is basically what was going on in the case of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Martin did in fact belong to some sort of a little local fight club and practiced MMA style fighting and youtube keeps pulling videos which show this but if you look hard enough you might catch one of those before youtube pulls it:
....What the witness is referring to as “the strattle [sic] position” is what is also known as the “mount,” which is an offensive position in mixed martial arts. When one fighter has downed the other and assumed a dominant position (mounted), that top fighter has pinned the other to the ground and is sitting on his abdomen, using his body weight to keep the fighter in the bottom position from being able to move.
It is a very difficult position for a fighter who has been mounted to defend himself in, as the bottom fighter is an inviting target target for punches, forearm strikes, and elbow strikes. Also, he has only his forearms and hands to obstruct incoming blows.
Every bit as important is the fact that in the bottom position it is very difficult to counterstrike against an opponent mounted high on your upper abdomen (chest). The fighter on the bottom has no leverage or torque and is rendered nearly incapable of mounting any countering offense. A fighter in this position, unable to throw the fighter on top off balance and unable to escape, is almost certainly doomed to defeat.
Fighters that prefer to take their opponents down to the ground to fight and hope to obtain this dominant mounted position are said to favor a style of fighting called “ground and pound.”
To better visually explain the concept of the mounted position and the danger it poses to the fighter on the receiving end (bottom) of the mount, I’ve provided a video of “ground and pound” in action from a December 27, 2008, Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) mixed martial arts fight. In this contest, French heavyweight Cheick Kongo dominates Lebanese-born English heavyweight Mustapha Al Turk from an open guard position similar to what the witness reported as the “strattle [sic] position” in the Martin/Zimmerman fight. For in this instance, Al Turk’s open guard offers no more defense than if he were fully mounted, and provides a chilling example of the kind of damage that can be done in seconds.....
I don't enjoy watching anybody get brutalized. I do enjoy watching good quality combative sports but I'd just as soon have professional boxers wearing headgear as in the amateur ranks.
When people in other countries support governments which supply terrorists with anthrax with which to poison the US senate office building, any brutality they experience on account of it is on them.
The point I'm trying to make here, is that our ignorant media presented this one as if it were an ordinary fist fight, that Zimmerman started to lose, and then pulled a gun and shot the kid.
This one relates to a normal fight of any sort about the way some little poodle nipping somebody would relate to a pit bull attack.
When I was in grade school, if a kid went for three or four days WITHOUT getting into some sort of a fight, the principle would assume he was sick and send him home so other kids wouldn't catch whatever he had. But those fights always ended the first instant one kid was the least bit hurt or acted like he didn't want to continue. The sort of thing we're reading about in the Martin/Zimmerman thing didn't exist in those days. Zimmerman had yelled for help a dozen times before he got the idea that help wasn't coming in time and shot the kid. In 1957 he wouldn't have had to yell more than once.
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Sun 3 Jun, 2012 01:40 pm
@gungasnake,
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You being ignorant of the facts or unwilling to deal with them when presented with them doesn't make other people liars.
That's hilarious coming from you, snake, or for that matter, pretty much any large chunk of Americans.
for numerous shining examples of Americans ignorant of the facts and especially, "unwilling to deal with them when presented with them"
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You are woefully ignorant of so many facts. On top of that you choose to ignore facts and spin alternate tall tales. That makes you a liar, a bald faced one to boot.
And your response shows it. You pick out one crazy example that is complete nonsense in some lame attempt to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, the deaths of untold numbers, which numbers the US and many of its citizens care nothing about, the destruction of their country, ... .
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