Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@firefly,

You had stated that you think that Zimmerman on purpose fired what he knew would be a killing shot into Trayvon heart.

An anyone who know anything about firearms would know the whole idea is beyond silly.

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@firefly,

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I'm still waiting for you to provide the evidence that Zimmerman's head was pounded on the ground

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/trayvon-martin-death-police-say-witnesses-back-zimmermans-story/question-2542459/

The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that Trayvon Martin decked George Zimmerman
with one punch and then repeatedly slammed his head into the sidewalk, according
to a newly released version of the events that led up to the 17-year-old’s
death.

The neighborhood watch captain was left “bloody and battered,”
according to the version Zimmerman told investigators. Witnesses have
corroborated his version, authorities told
The Orlando Sentinel. And ABC News reports that Zimmerman told police that
Martin knocked him down and attempted to take his gun.

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@BillRM,

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You had stated that you think that Zimmerman on purpose fired what he knew would be a killing shot into Trayvon heart.

An anyone who know anything about firearms would know the whole idea is beyond silly.

I said no such thing. I made no statement about Zimmerman firing his gun. You're so obsessed with me, you're imagining I said things that I've never said.

I'm still waiting for you to present the evidence that corroborates Zimmerman's account of a head-pounding, a beating, a hand being held over his mouth, etc. Where is the physical evidence to support his story?

A newspaper account is not legal evidence in this case--they are simply repeating Zimmerman's uncorroborated story.

Where is the physical and legal evidence that supports Zimmerman's version of events?

The lack of supportive corroborating evidence, and the inconsistencies in his account, were reasons the chief investigator on this case wanted Zimmerman arrested after the shooting.

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@firefly,

The below posting was taken from your post 5192565 and strangely it is no longer there!!!!!!!

Got to the edit function when challenge before the time out on editing Firefly???!!!!???

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This leads me to believe that Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing when he aimed for the heart.

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@BillRM,

That's not from my post, asshole.

And the post containing that comment is still there--but it's not mine.

You are as dumb as a brick.

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@firefly,

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A newspaper account is not legal evidence in this case--they are simply repeating Zimmerman's uncorroborated story.

Take note of the words the witnesses confirm in those newspaper accounts and newspapers account is what we happen to have at this point.

Unless you are claiming accesses to witnesses statements that the rest of us do not have.

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@firefly,

Sure I am dear..............

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@BillRM,

Do you understand physical evidence in a legal case?

The state of Florida is not going to rely on a newspaper story, dumbbell. They will point out the lack of physical evidence to support Zimmerman's allegations regarding his "attack" and head-pounding, as well as the inconsistencies in his account. His credibility is quite suspect, just as it seemed suspect to the main investigator on the case, and that will be a main issue in his prosecution.

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and newspapers account is what we happen to have at this point....

No, tons of evidence have been released by the state--the actual evidence which will be used in adjudicating this case. You're just ignorant regarding it.

And, I am waiting for you to admit you were wrong in attributing those comments, about Zimmerman firing his gun, to me.

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@BillRM,

The fact that you would equate "shooting a gun" with "knowledge of firearms" just kinda speaks to how muddled your thinking is on this.

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You know there is little question what happen that night and that is why Zimmerman was not charge until the political pressure came to be.

First no grown man is knocked down with one punch unless it was a sucker punch that he was not looking for, second there was no good reason for Trayvon to get down on the ground after that unless it was to continue the attack on Zimmerman.

So the like of Sharpton and Firefly wish to grant a license to any teenager with special note of a black teenager to beat or even kill someone if they dare to annoy them by following them on a public street or in any other manner.

So if my wife or I had said or done anything that Trayvon did not care for on a public street by their logic that would grant Trayvon a license to physical attacks us and at the same time take away our rights of self defense.

This prosecution is a wonderful indication that the self defense laws need to be even more strength to the point that political prosecutions is a great deal harder to do.

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@BillRM,

I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in attributing those comments, about Zimmerman firing his gun, to me.

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You know there is little question what happen that night...

http://socialmedia-canada.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/head-up-ass-254x300.gif

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@DrewDad,

Sorry if my opinion bothers you, but I am by no means a troll, nor am I trolling this thread.
The only thing that we know for a fact is that a young man is dead and another is accused of killing him.
The only person that knows for a FACT what happened that night is Zimmerman, nobody else does.
And the evidence released to the public is being interpreted different ways by both sides, and both sides are making plausible explanations for the evidence.

Now you and everyone else can speculate as to what the evidence means, but only the 12 people on the jury will determine the truth.
So, I stand by my original statement about not knowing if Zimmerman is guilty of murder or not.

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@mysteryman,

So, you don't know if Zimmerman is guilty of murder or not, but you lean towards the latter in your estimation of the evidence.

Well, that's better than declaring a supposed neutral position in an issue, but proceeding to criticize only one side thereof.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

The only thing that we know for a fact is that a young man is dead and another is accused of killing him.

You're wrong. We know that Zimmerman shot the kid, because Zimmerman admits that he shot the kid.

mysteryman wrote:

So, I stand by my original statement about not knowing if Zimmerman is guilty of murder or not.

That's not what you said. You may want to go review your post.

mysteryman wrote:

there really isn't any evidence pointing to murder either.

We know that he shot the kid, which is evidence that points at murder. What degree of murder to charge Zimmerman with is up to the DA. Whether Zimmerman manages to convince a jury that it was self-defense is yet to be determined.

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@DrewDad,

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We know that he shot the kid, which is evidence that points at murder

So then you do believe that anytime someone shoots someone else it is an indication of murder?

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That's not what you said. You may want to go review your post.

I dont have to review my post, but maybe you should...

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The thing is, from what I know(and I confess it isn't as much as the self proclaimed experts here on a2k), there really isn't any evidence pointing to murder either.

All the evidence points to Zimmerman shooting Martin, it does not point to anything else, at least not to me.
Its up to the jury to determine if it was murder or not.

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@mysteryman,

Then you're in the good company of BillRM and GungasnaKKKe.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So then you do believe that anytime someone shoots someone else it is an indication of murder?

I believe that holding a smoking gun while standing over a dead body is prima facie evidence of murder, yes.

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@DrewDad,

Why? Because I am willing to wait till a jury decides if he is guilty or not?
My question is why aren't you willing to let a jury decide?

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@BillRM,

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@firefly,
You had stated that you think that Zimmerman on purpose fired what he knew would be a killing shot into Trayvon heart...

Some reason you guys aren't considering the possibility that God might have guided Zimmerman's hand because he wanted the little ****** dead??

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@gungasnake,

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Some reason you guys aren't considering the possibility that God might have guided Zimmerman's hand because he wanted the little ****** dead??

and they call ME incendiary! Rolling Eyes

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