Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You had stated that you think that Zimmerman on purpose fired what he knew would be a killing shot into Trayvon heart.

I think it was RST who said that, not Firefly.

Anyway, my brain is transitioning into full-on Tolkien geek mode. If it's not Hobbit-related, I don't have the will to post about it for now.

Maybe I'll post something about proper aimpoints in a week or two.

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@mysteryman,

Ah, the strawman couched as outrage. How... tedious.

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@oralloy,

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I think it was RST who said that, not Firefly.

You are right about that, oralloy. I never made the statement that BillRM keeps attributing to me.

But BillRM has a terrible problem. Once he is convinced he is right about something, he blocks out all information indicating he is mistaken, and he's consequently never able to see, or admit, where he is wrong. And this is rather typical for him.

He's blocking out all the evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's version of accounts, just as he kept ignoring my comments that I was not the author of those statements. He obviously enjoys wallowing in ignorance and being wrong, because he is never able to correct, or admit, the errors in his thinking. In the process, he just makes a fool of himself, as he has just done.

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You know the Zimmerman case is another sad sad example of the reverse racial profiling and Politics of the far left.

We have had evil white racists gang rapes that never in fact happen and now a sad case of a Latin man who needed to defend his life from a young hoodlum that happen to be black.

It does not seems to matter to the like of Firefly that there is nothing in Zimmerman background that would indicate one racist bone in his body in fact far from it.

Even with a full press investigation by FBI agents talking to every one in his life there was no indication of a racist in hiding.

This case would never had happen if Zimmerman skin color had been a little darker himself or if Trayvon had been Latin or white, the whole silly case is a matter of the news media and the Al Sharptons of the world painting a picture of a poor innocent black child being killed for no reason by a gun nut who happen to be a “white” racist.

Let see the poor innocent kid was 17 far from the picture of a smiling and harmless looking 14 years old ran in the newspaper.

He had jewelries that he could not explained and what his school security consider burglar's tools seized not that long before the shooting so if Zimmerman felt he was acting oddly there is little reason to question his judgment.

There is little question that Trayvon was the attacker and Zimmerman is now a double victim first being the victim of an assault and the other the victim of a politics prosecution of the same order as the Duke players so call gang rape case.

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@BillRM,

Well, it's more a matter of what happened than who is or isn't a racist.

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@DrewDad,

No outrage at all.
Instead, I feel pity for you.
You have already convicted Zimmerman in your mind, without bothering to wait for a trial or a verdict.

Me, I prefer to wait for a trial and a jury verdict.

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@BillRM,

I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in attributing those comments, about Zimmerman firing his gun, to me.

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It does not seems to matter to the like of Firefly that there is nothing in Zimmerman background that would indicate one racist bone in his body in fact far from it.

I haven't said that Zimmerman is a racist. Why do you keep attributing statements to me that I never made? Are you that out of touch with reality?

And Zimmerman isn't charged with a hate crime, so why are you so preoccupied with racist nonsense? He's charged with second degree murder. Has the state accused him of having a racial motive for that murder?

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There is little question that Trayvon was the attacker...

If you think there is little question about that, you really are out of touch with reality. Too bad you are also unaware of the evidence in this case that fails to support Zimmerman's version of events.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

You have already convicted Zimmerman in your mind,

No, but you seem to have acquitted him.

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George Zimmerman Forced to Keep Wearing GPS, Must Remain in County
By CANDACE SMITH
Dec. 11, 2012

George Zimmerman was rebuffed by a Florida judge in his request today to remove the GPS tracking device he must wear and be allowed to leave Seminole County so that he would not have to live in hiding while awaiting trial for shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman, who is currently out of jail on a $1 million bond, appeared in court today, noticeably stockier, clad in a dark suit and presumably a bulletproof vest as he typically wears in public.

In seeking permission to remove the tracking device, defense attorney Mark O'Mara put Adam Vincent, Zimmerman's probation officer, on the stand. Vincent testified that Zimmerman has always complied with the terms of his probation.

O'Mara argued that Zimmerman has "shown himself where he should be free" and should not be restricted to Seminole County because it does not allow him to speak with attorneys, expert witnesses or to help his attorneys prepare for the upcoming trial.

Zimmerman "shouldn't have to be in hiding," O'Mara told the court. Zimmerman, 28, has been in hiding since he received death threats following the shooting death of the unarmed teenager on Feb. 26.

Lead prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda argued that the state "objects strenuously to any modification of his GPS or his boundaries" and reminded Judge Debra Nelson that Zimmerman lied to the court about how much money he could provide for bond and neglected to mention the existence of a second passport.

De La Rionda argued that the GPS is as much for Zimmerman's protection as it is for the state's benefit.

"Isn't the defendant safer if law enforcement knows exactly where he is?" De La Rionda asked.

The judge denied Zimmerman's request, requiring him to continue wearing the GPS tracker and remain in Seminole County, except to visit his attorneys in Orange County.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-forced-wearing-gps-remain-county/story?id=17933483

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@DrewDad,

Not at all.
As I said earlier, I don't know.
If a jury convicts him, I hope he gets a long prison sentence.
If they aquit him, I can accept that also.

But I don't know, and neither do you.
The difference is, I acknowledge the fact that I don't know, while you seem to think you do know.
Truth is, neither of us knows the truth.

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George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case update: Zimmerman attorney says new lawusit a surprise
Posted: 01/02/2013
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. — A security company claims in a lawsuit that George Zimmerman, his wife and attorney owe more than $27,000 for protection services.

The Orlando Sentinel reports that Associated Investigative Services filed the lawsuit Friday in Orange County Circuit Court. The company says it was hired in June to provide security for the Zimmerman family but promised payments stopped after an independent trustee took over Zimmerman’s defense fund.

Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara says the lawsuit was a surprise and that the company was paid some $40,000.

Zimmerman is awaiting trial on second-degree murder charges in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman contends the unarmed teenager attacked him and is claiming self-defense in the February killing. Zimmerman is free on $1 million bail and is in hiding.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-update-zimmerman-attorney-says-new-lawusit-a-surprise#ixzz2H9tmKvkz

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George Zimmerman's Next Court Date Is on Trayvon Martin's 18th Birthday
Jan 3, 2013

The next court hearing for Geore Zimmerman was supposed to be next week, on January 8, but the judge in charge of the case decided that the hearing wasn't necessary, so she rescheduled Zimmerman's next court appearance to an eerily significant date.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson delayed Zimmerman's next hearing until February 5, a date that the young man Zimmerman is accused of killing most certainly would have had marked in his calender. February 5, 2013 would have been Trayvon Martin's 18th birthday. Zimmerman is still out on GPS monitoring, but walking freely, on $1 million bond while he awaits trial in June.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/george-zimmermans-next-court-date-trayvon-martins-18th-birthday/60573/

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@mysteryman,

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Not at all.
As I said earlier, I don't know.
If a jury convicts him, I hope he gets a long prison sentence.
If they aquit him, I can accept that also.

But I don't know, and neither do you.
The difference is, I acknowledge the fact that I don't know, while you seem to think you do know.
Truth is, neither of us knows the truth.

That sounds to me like the only reasonable response to this question.

Seems incredible that 135 pages have been devoted to it.

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@mysteryman,

The title of the thread is Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted.

The whole thread is devoted to speculation.

Do I think that Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2? I think so, yes, but I acknowledge that more evidence may come to light that changes my opinion.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Do I think that Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2? I think so, yes

That's a pretty silly belief. Even if Zimmerman provoked the violence and could not justly claim self defense, that would just amount to manslaughter.

For murder 2, you'd need some outright malice on Zimmerman's part, and no one has ever produced any evidence of such malice.

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@oralloy,

That's because the court doesn't require evidence be produced to the public or oralloy specifically before trial. You can be sure the jury will see the evidence when the case is actually heard. Whether it will be convincing to you even if it convinces the jury is another question entirely. We'll wait to hear your ruling on the appeal.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Not at all.
As I said earlier, I don't know.
If a jury convicts him, I hope he gets a long prison sentence.
If they aquit him, I can accept that also.

It might be better to say "if he is guilty" instead of "if he is convicted" when hoping for a long sentence.

Being convicted doesn't mean one is actually guilty.

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@oralloy,

<sigh>

Back to this canard?

Florida 2nd Degree Murder statute doesn't say anything about malice.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

That's because the court doesn't require evidence be produced to the public or oralloy specifically before trial. You can be sure the jury will see the evidence when the case is actually heard. Whether it will be convincing to you even if it convinces the jury is another question entirely. We'll wait to hear your ruling on the appeal.

Mysterious references to some sort of "unknown mystery evidence" is a classic sign that an innocent person is being railroaded.

Apparently it is a tactic designed to convince weak-minded people to ignore the fact that there is no actual evidence.

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@DrewDad,

How long y'all been flogging this long dead horse?

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