What is the Republican vision for this country?

I don't suppose that any of the Democrat politicians really want a permanent underclass, but they do want permanent power and establishing and growing a class of dependent inhabitants (it doesn't matter if they are citizens or not, they have plans to work out that wrinkle) of this country is a a great strategy for achieving their goal.

I don't believe that the vast majority of ordinary citizens who self-identify as Democrats wish for a permanent underclass. In fact, I'm sure they don't.

As I must admint, I don't believe the vast majority of Republicans have no concern for those who struggle.

I don't suppose that any of the Democrat politicians really want a permanent underclass, but they do want permanent power and establishing and growing a class of dependent inhabitants (it doesn't matter if they are citizens or not, they have plans to work out that wrinkle) of this country is a a great strategy for achieving their goal.


I imagine there are may politicians of both parties that strive to maintain power. It's a natural outcome. I doubt many of them have in mind to create a dependent class.

My problem with most Democrat citizens is that they are, at best naive and gullible, and at worst more concerned with maintaining a sanctimonious self-image than actually helping people rise above misfortune and achieve self-reliance.

Sanctimonious? Again there probably those like that. I'm not one. I contribute as much as I can, financially and physically.


The War on Poverty was declared at the same time as the programs under the umbrella of The Great Society were set in motion. Some 50 years, and billions, if not trillions of dollars later, poverty remains with it's eradication no where in sight.

We have a lot to learn about helping people out of poverty. Some countries have done a much better job. No doubt we waste a lot of money, I would agree. But we can't just give up. What did Jesus say about the least among us?


I doubt the Liberal Establishment set out to create a permanent underclass that would always vote for Democrats, but somewhere along the line they realized what they had set in motion and how they could exploit it to their personal ends.

I am sorry you believe this. There are politicians that are exploitative of both parties. I doubt one side has an advantage.


With so much invested in their self-image of enlightened social responsibility I don't expect very many Democrat citizens to realize, let alone admit that they have been duped.

I don't post these "diatribes" with any expectation that they will change the minds of anyone in this forum. I suppose that a small number of people may have come to A2k with a capability of having their opinions influence, but if they did, they soon fled.

That's the problem with both of us. Too much energy trying to influence the other and not enough in productive discussion.

All of the regulars have their minds made up, which is perfectly fine by me since I'm not seeking to change them. As a result, I don't really care much when folks like you (no offense intended) and FreeDuck tell me I am off the mark, tilting at straw men, or simply full of it.

You can scold me or anyone else in this forum for adversarial attitudes but, without them, these forums would be limited to the exchange of recipes, and silly word games. There is certainly an A2K "community" that enjoys using the forum for trading puns and quips, congratulating and commiserating with each other, and even engaging in the occasional political circle jerk, but what keeps a large number of members coming back are the adversarial posts of folks like me. If only two or three conservative members depart without being replaced, it won't be long before three to four times that number of liberal members depart as well, and you might be one.

I'm not going to leave because someone disagreed with me. Are you saying you are only trying to be entertaining? That's what many folks say about a fellow on the radio when he says something completely untrue and hurtful. "Oh, he's just an entertainer."

All of this is to say, climb down off your high horse and don't try to substitute fluff that you think demonstrates your superiority with trying to pick apart what I have written.

This is merely conservative polemic--it is propaganda, which Finn cannot substantiate on any but a polemical, anecdotal basis.

Ooops. I didn't realize that Beth was still logged-in. I wrote that post.

Do parties have platforms in the US?

... their priorities appear to be preventing women from getting reproductive health care...

God DAMN!!!! Them crazy ******* Republicans are gonna force me to have five kids!!!!!