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Most amazing coincidence of all time

 
 
Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 01:17 pm
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, who both contributed to the founding of the United States, shared many similarities: both men received elite educations, studied law, and became members of their colonial legislatures. Both were delegates to the Continental Congress and served on the committee to draft the Declaration of Independence. Both served as foreign diplomats and eventually as presidents of the United States. Finally, both died July 4, 1826, on the country's fiftieth birthday. Adams is said to have spoken Jefferson's name moments before he died.

http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/spotlight/july4.html
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 02:44 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quote:
But there is no proof that Adams, dying, uttered,"Jefferson survives," which was said to be especially poignant, as Jefferson had died just hours before. Mark that up as just another hoary story we wished so hard were true we convinced ourselves it is.

http://hnn.us/articles/132.html
So it's likely that the quote was manufactured mythology.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 05:03 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

Quote:
But there is no proof that Adams, dying, uttered,"Jefferson survives," which was said to be especially poignant, as Jefferson had died just hours before. Mark that up as just another hoary story we wished so hard were true we convinced ourselves it is.

http://hnn.us/articles/132.html
So it's likely that the quote was manufactured mythology.


Writing about history is an iffy thing at best, and except for newspaper stories and letters, all you have is your own sense of all the characters, educated guesses, and fabricated continuity.

Expand a dozen pages of facts into 400 pages of believable fantasy.

Been there, done that, but never got published.


farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 05:46 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Adams said, and this is the honest to god's trth so help me.

"Jeffereson still lives, I win the dead pool"
Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 06:06 pm
@farmerman,
ahahaha!
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2012 06:23 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:
Writing about history is an iffy thing at best, and except for newspaper stories and letters, all you have is your own sense of all the characters, educated guesses, and fabricated continuity.

Historians, no doubt with a good deal more imagination and training than you, have far more sources available to them than "newspaper stories and letters."

Rickoshay75 wrote:
Been there, done that, but never got published.

I can understand why.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2012 02:59 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

Rickoshay75 wrote:
Writing about history is an iffy thing at best, and except for newspaper stories and letters, all you have is your own sense of all the characters, educated guesses, and fabricated continuity.

Historians, no doubt with a good deal more imagination and training than you, have far more sources available to them than "newspaper stories and letters."

Rickoshay75 wrote:
Been there, done that, but never got published.

I can understand why.


That's a new one, a critic that hasn't read what he's criticizing...
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2012 09:32 am
@Rickoshay75,
A novel has to convey a sense of reality.
An historical novel has to convey a sense of historical reality even if its supposed to be your fantasy.

You can put Jefferson in sneakers about to go for a jog around Monticello, but you'll lose some readers.

I'm sorry your 400 pages never got published, you could publish now on your own.

Joe(might be fun)Nation
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2012 09:56 am
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:
That's a new one, a critic that hasn't read what he's criticizing...

Better that than a historian who doesn't understand history.
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 01:09 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:

A novel has to convey a sense of reality.>>

Maybe your sense of reality but not mine. Real means continuity and logistics, not just moving snapshots




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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 01:20 pm
This joker's idea of how history is researched and written is exactly equivalent to the amount of science to be found in Christian Science.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 01:35 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

This joker's idea of how history is researched and written is exactly equivalent to the amount of science to be found in Christian Science.


Whatever turns you on -- or off -- Is all right with me.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 02:48 pm
@Rickoshay75,
"Turn on" has nothing to do with it--your response is a non sequitur.
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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:23 pm
@Rickoshay75,
There sure are some strange ones that show up on here Laughing
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 04:37 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
EqualityFLSTPete wrote:

There sure are some strange ones that show up on here Laughing


Hello Pete, I'm Richard, happy to meet you and all the others in this very interesting forum. I have no desire to set the world on fire, only to debate and contribute.
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