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IS RUSH A CONSERVATIVE?? WHAT DOES HE CONSERVE?

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 01:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I do not believe that Rush shows enuf of a love
of personal freedom to be deemed a real conservative.

I think Limbaugh likes your idea of personal freedom just fine. He's just uncomfortable with the notion that women are persons. I don't see why you would count that against him. After all, George Washington and James Madison were uncomfortable with the notion that Blacks are persons. Among the founding fathers your initial post named as epitomes of conservatism, only Ben Franklin petitioned Congress for the abolition of slavery. The others were fine with the notion that some people counted as persons and others didn't, just like Limbaugh is today. Tomeydo, tomuhto.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 01:43 pm
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I do not believe that Rush shows enuf of a love
of personal freedom to be deemed a real conservative.
Thomas wrote:
I think Limbaugh likes your idea of personal freedom just fine.
As an optimist, I 'd like to agree with u, Tom,
but from my observations, Americanism does not have a terrific friend in him.
In my mind, Americanism is love of personal freedom
with consequent grudging stinginess of granting jurisdiction to any government.
The whole point of Originalist American thinking, which Goldwater & I wish to conserve,
is resentment, distrust & curtailment of government jurisdiction, thus to exalt personal Freedom.

Sadly, I fail to see sufficient Anti-authoritarianism coming from Rush.
The Founders were very Anti-authoritarian.
The American Revolution was very Anti-authoritarian;
it was a quest for Freedom, witness the Sons of Liberty.

To be conservative, he must manifest their freedom-loving filosofy.
I don 't believe that he does that very well.
I 've heard his radio show a few times. I don't get thrills from him.
I 'm not saying that he is bad. I just don 't see that he is all
that freedom-loving terrific, either. Ron Paul IS, but I can 't take
his fanatical peacemongering. I don 't wanna get nuked.



Thomas wrote:
He's just uncomfortable with the notio that women are persons.
I don 't know that to be true, but admittedly,
I don ' t know him well enuf to judge that. I 've never evaluated him
on that basis. I know that he has denounced some individual leftist women,
but I 'm not yet ready to generalize that to attribute the notion u mentioned to Rush.





Thomas wrote:
I don't see why you would count that against him.
I can 't find it in my heart to condemn n denounce all women.
We might wanna watch our backs, but that applies to EVERYONE.



Thomas wrote:
After all, George Washington and James Madison were uncomfortable with the notion that Blacks are persons. Among the founding fathers you name as epitomes of conservatism, only Ben Franklin petitioned Congress for the abolition of slavery. Tomeydo, tomuhto.
Yes; historically, such was their vu of the blacks; livestock.
( Of whatever interest it may be: I 've heard that both here and in Africa
at the time, some blacks also had black slaves.)




David
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 01:59 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
What makes you think he might be a conservative at all? As I said before, I don't think anyone in the modern GOP would be a Conservative by your definition.

Is there any political figure out there right now that you consider "Conservative" by your definition?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 02:13 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
What makes you think he might be a conservative at all?
As I said before, I don't think anyone in the modern GOP
would be a Conservative by your definition.
I disagree with that.
U allege that there remain NO ` Goldwater Republicans??
U claim that I am the last one, about to go extinct ????



rosborne979 wrote:
Is there any political figure out there right now
that you consider "Conservative" by your definition?
Well, grudgingly: I must admit Ron Paul.
George Washington DID counsel against "foreign entanglements"
but I STILL don 't wanna get nuked by the Persians.

I like Newt. He may not be perfect in his conservatism,
but he is the closest to American Originalism who is available.

Santorum is anathema to conservatism.
He is an authoritarian theocrat. He is worse than Romney.





David


InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 05:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Well, grudgingly: I must admit Ron Paul.
George Washington DID counsel against "foreign entanglements"
but I STILL don 't wanna get nuked by the Persians.


Why do you think you're gonna get nuked by the Persians?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:30 pm
@InfraBlue,

Quote:
Well, grudgingly: I must admit Ron Paul.
George Washington DID counsel against "foreign entanglements"
but I STILL don 't wanna get nuked by the Persians.
InfraBlue wrote:
Why do you think you're gonna get nuked by the Persians?
Because thay r fanatical Moslems that hate us,
ergo: 9/11/1. That was bad enuf, without going nuclear.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:41 pm
@Rockhead,
HOW ??
Rockhead
 
  3  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
your fear of all things muslim borders on paranoia...
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Because thay r fanatical Moslems that hate us,
ergo: 9/11/1. That was bad enuf, without going nuclear.

Maybe they'd hate America just a little less if, back in the 1950s, the CIA hadn't helped overthrow Persia's democratically-elected government and help install a tyrant, the shah. I suspect that all that American freedom-talk must be ringing hollow to them. I also think Ron Paul has a good point: the bad guys America tries to quash in its current meddlings tend to be the unintended consequences of America's past meddlings. (See Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, all armed and made more dangerous by the US.) It's a good argument against future meddling in foreign affairs. Not that I expect Mr. Limbaugh will learn that anytime soon.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:50 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
your fear of all things muslim borders on paranoia...
I just don 't wanna get nuked.
U seem to imply that 9/11/1 never happened; just a nasty rumor to make the Moslems look bad.





David
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
and you seem to think that the entire muslim world conspired to arrange the strike...
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 07:59 pm
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Because thay r fanatical Moslems that hate us,
ergo: 9/11/1. That was bad enuf, without going nuclear.
Thomas wrote:
Maybe they'd hate America just a little less if, back in the 1950s, the CIA hadn't helped overthrow Persia's democratically-elected government and help install a tyrant, the shah. I think Ron Paul has a good point: the bad guys America tries to quash in its current meddlings tend to be the unintended consequences of America's past meddlings. (See Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, all armed and made more dangerous by the US.) It's a good argument against future meddling in foreign affairs. Not that I expect Mr. Limbaugh will learn that anytime soon.
Tom, we were in the middle of the Third World War.
We had to take that very seriously and DO what was needed. We did.

However that may BE,
I remain unwilling to shout "Mea culpa" and accept getting nuked
by vengeful Moslems. Its the federal government's job to PREVENT that from happening.
It is duty bound to accomplish that mission; it must do whatever is necessary,
e.g., nuking the Moslems b4 thay do it to us. We can 't afford to sleep thru this.

1 9/11/1 was enuf.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 08:02 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
and you seem to think that the entire muslim world conspired to arrange the strike...
What DIFFERENCE did it make???????

The damage was done. The graves were filled.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 08:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
nuking the Moslems b4 thay do it to us...

next comes "the only good muslim is a dead muslim", right dave?
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 08:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
9/11 was an embarrassment of America's national security more than anything else. It didn't even make a dent in America's 2001 murder rate. Not worth giving up ones libertarian principles over.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 08:17 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
9/11 was an embarrassment of America's national security more than anything else.
I join u in thinking that our reaction to it was unreasonably exaggerated in our emotions.
We 've lost a lot more people than that in a year 's traffic accidents,
yet many people take emotional views of it.

My ex-girlfriend, Jane, was over 5O miles away from it,
but she was very upset. I lost a libertarian Mensan friend, NYPD Lt. John Perry, in it.
He was in the act of retiring at that moment, when the first plane hit.
He died in heroically helping people to evacuate the WTC in the dark.
Against his captain's orders, he went back in to save more people,
when the edifice collapsed on him. His remains were found
the following April. I almost lost another friend, Vivian, a member
of my Mensan SIG, who was approaching the building.



Thomas wrote:
It didn't even make a dent in America's 2001 murder rate.
Not worth giving up ones libertarian principles over.
I don 't have that in my plans.
WHICH libertarian principles do u have in mind???





David
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 09:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Won't you please please tell us the one about the woman who seduced you when you were a young 'un, Dave, please please, Dave.

Then about that one where you got your first pistol. That's always a crowd favorite.

OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 10:58 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Won't you please please tell us the one about the woman
who seduced you when you were a young 'un, Dave, please please, Dave.
Which one, J ?
Y don 't u be a good fellow and recite the account for me??

JTT wrote:
Then about that one where you got your first pistol.
That's always a crowd favorite.
I don 't believe that I have ever described that event, J.
I have few pistols, because I don 't have much confidence
in their mechanical reliability; (thay jam too much).

However, I have mentioned my acquisition of my first revolver,
when I was 8, in Arizona. That was fun and filled my being with joy.

Thanx for reminding me of it.
That always makes me happy.





David
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 11:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,


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