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"a member for Oxford" refers to "a member for Oxford City Hall"?

 
 
Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 11:22 pm


Context:

To places like this come all that is knavish and all that is foolish and all that is base; gamesters, pick-pockets, and harlots; young wife-hunters in search of rich and old women, and young husband-hunters in search of rich and wrinkled or half-rotten men, the former resolutely bent, be the means what they may, to giver the latter heirs to their lands and tenements. These things are notorious; and, Sir William Scott, in his speech of 1802, in favor of the non-residence of the Clergy, expressly said, that they and their families ought to appear at watering places, and that this was amongst the means of making them respected by their flocks! Memorandum: he was a member for Oxford when he said this!
 
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:41 am
Sir William Scott (1745 1836) was, at the time, a member of the British Parliament for the constituency of Oxford University. In a parliamentary context it is customary to refer to a "member for <constituency>" e.g. "The member for Manchester South".
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 05:00 am
An elected official who represents the people of a particular area, in this case, Oxford University.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 05:47 am
Being a USian, I don't know that much about the fine points of the UK parliamentary system, but would tend to agree that it means an MP for Oxford, but Oxford University or the town of Oxford (or possibly the town and surrounding area), Joe?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:01 am
@MontereyJack,
Back in the day, before various reform acts, Oxford and Cambridge Universities had their own MPs. Not now though.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:12 am
Interesting. Can't think of any American parallel to that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:19 am
@MontereyJack,
Well, your system originated in 1776, our origins are mediaeval, there's bound to be anachronisms. We still have bishops sitting in the House of Lords.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:27 am
yeah, i know, we're still the rude colonials.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:32 am
@MontereyJack,
I never called you rude, you had the opportunity to start from scratch, we just tweak an aging beast every now and again. Were we to rewrite our constitution now it would be a lot different, for a start it would be written.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:08 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I never called you rude


I think he meant 'rude' in the older sense of crude, unsophisticated, rustic; the expression 'rude colonial' would have been common in British usage about the time of the War Of Independence.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:16 am
The university constituencies, established in 1603, were abolished as late as 1950, a fact whch has surprised me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:29 am
@izzythepush,
The Agitators of the New Model Army wanted a written constitution (they were largely Diggers, Levelers and religiously, Independents). (By the way, they called themselves Agitators, it's not an historical label.) They called it the Agreement of the People. However, when presented by the Agitators and Levelers at the Putney Debates in October, 1647, it was unacceptable to the "Grandees"--Cromwell, Ireton and Fairfax, supported by most of the other high ranking officers of the Army. Eventually, although increasingly unpopular with the majority of the English at the time, the Grandees suckered the Army represntatives into holding three separate rendezvous, which allowed Grandees to use loyal troopers to round up the "ringleaders," many of whom were hanged. This resulted in a near mutiny of the Army in the Corn Husk Field incident. But the Grandees, the Major Generals, succeeding in imposing their will, and although other versions of the Agreement of People were proposed in coming years, it was a dead issue.

I suggest to you that Powers that were and are in England don't want to see a written constitution. Limits their options, you know.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:36 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I suggest to you that Powers that were and are in England don't want to see a written constitution. Limits their options, you know.


Leaving aside the England/Britain ignorance, I would humbly opine that people (read: mouthy gobshites) whose own nation's political arrangements stink like an open sewer would do well to refrain from commenting about matters about which they clearly know little and understand even less.

Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:42 am
@contrex,
Don't mistake contempt for ignorance. Ignorance is what you routintely display about the United States and Americans. Contempt is what i willfully display toward English wankers like you. I'd opine that i know far more about the history of England and it's government than you do about America and it's government.

Asswipe.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:50 am
@Setanta,
That's as maybe...

Quote:
England and it's government ... America and it's government


I clearly do know a bit more than you, who presume to prate about the English language, about correct use of apostrophes. I suppose I must concede that 'willfully' is a US variant of 'wilfully', and I'll give you 'routintely' as a typo. However you are still what my mate from Sutton would call a "johnny full of spunk'.


Use of willful and wilful in American books published from 1800 to 2000

http://www.grammarist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wilful-willful-american-english.png

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:51 am
@Setanta,
It's amazing how great an opportunity was squandered during the Civil War, Cromwell's role as a 17th Century Uncle Joe Stalin put the kibosh on a lot of things.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:54 am
@izzythepush,
I highly recommend Cromwell, Our Chief of Men by Antonia Fraser, 1973--with a new edition out from Phoenix, 2002. Roosevelt's biography of Cromwell is very scholarly, but it tells us more about the prejudices and idiosyncracies of Theodore Roosevelt than it does about Cromwell.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 08:56 am
@contrex,
And you are what just about any American country boy would call a great braying jackass.

But we all already knew that, didn't we?
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 09:01 am
Well, I think that 'great braying jackass' is a feeble epithet compared to 'johnny full of spunk', so I reckon I'm ahead on points.

Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 09:03 am
@contrex,
Oh, i'm sure you do "reckon" that--and i'm sure that such pettiness is exemplary of what passes for character in you.
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