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Should "though" be "through" here?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2012 10:53 pm
@oristarA,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:
"Judicial activism" is being likened to "legislating from the bench." In other words the assertion is being made that the rulings of certain "activist" judges amount to passing laws from the judicial seat of power, "the bench", that being a case of the judicial branch usurping the powers of the legislative branch of the government.
oristarA wrote:
I'd like to dive into the complexity of this common law. Because it is informative.

Gracias.
It was said that judges FIND the law (discover it by study) not make the law.
The objection to judicial legislation is usurpation
of the legislative function, creating new law, faking and pretending
that it exists; inventing it.
David
oristarA wrote:
I didn't understand you, Dave.
In a particular case that has had no precedent, a judge now makes his ruling decision thus set a precedent since. Other judges with same rank or lower will have to consider and follow this precedent when they encounter a similar case until a higher level judge overturns the precedent. In this sense, making a precedent is making law.

And now you said it was a usurpation?
It is a usurpation (or not),
depending on whether the judge legitimately HAS
the authority to make that decision.

If he grabs and uses power that was not lawfully granted to him,
like a pickpocket in the street -- if he goes BEYOND his authority,
then he is guilty of usurpation of power.

Suppose that to raise funds, obama starts selling titles of nobility;
he 'd thereby be usurping the power to do that.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2012 10:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Suppose that to raise funds, obama starts selling titles of nobility;
he 'd thereby be usurping the power to do that.


Hardly a credible scenario, Dave, or a useful example. (1) There are Constitutional curbs on a chief executive's ability to do that; (2) this, if it were, in fact, possible, would constitute a violation of law at the executive, not the judicial, level; and (3) as an example, it is totally irrelevant to Oristar's question.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 12:31 am
@Lustig Andrei,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Suppose that to raise funds, obama starts selling titles of nobility;
he 'd thereby be usurping the power to do that.


Lustig Andrei wrote:
Hardly a credible scenario, Dave, or a useful example.
(1) There are Constitutional curbs on a chief executive's ability to do that;
We r discussing USURPATION, Andy.
I thought u got the point.
Your counter-argument proves & defines the concept itself.
That means that u r arguing in support of my position.



Lustig Andrei wrote:
(2) this, if it were, in fact, possible, would constitute a violation of law at the executive,
not the judicial, level; and
Yes; that example is helpful in showing that
usurpation of power is not conceptually unique to judicial charlatans.




Lustig Andrei wrote:
(3) as an example, it is totally irrelevant to Oristar's question.
No; u just don't get the point qua usurpation.

If Congress enacted statutes that we all had to become Moslems,
or any form of gun control those 'd be other usurpations of power.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 05:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If Congress enacted statutes that we all had to become Moslems,
or any form of gun control those 'd be other usurpations of power.


Technically correct. However, most people would hardly define such an act as a "usurpation of power" but, rather, as a silly and blatant violation of the powers granted to it by gthe Constitutions. I see "usurpation of power" as an action which actually "usurps" a power allocated to another person or institution. Congress enacting statutes contrary to the highest law of the land is not "usurpation of power"; it is an attempt to circumvent a law which they have sworn to uphold. Hell of a difference.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 08:39 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
How many postings has Mr Hypocrisy been off topic? You are definitely American, Merry. Hypocrisy courses thru your veins. Does for OmSig too.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2012 06:36 am
@Lustig Andrei,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If Congress enacted statutes that we all had to become Moslems,
or any form of gun control those 'd be other usurpations of power.
Lustig Andrei wrote:
Technically correct. However, most people would hardly define such an act as a "usurpation of power" but, rather, as a silly and blatant violation of the powers granted to it by gthe Constitutions. I see "usurpation of power" as an action which actually "usurps" a power allocated to another person or institution. Congress enacting statutes contrary to the highest law of the land is not "usurpation of power"; [O, REALLY??] it is an attempt to circumvent a law which they have sworn to uphold. Hell of a difference.
It means to GRAB what is NOT yours, Andy.
In this particular case: it means to grab unauthorized POWER.


u·surp   verb (used with object)
1. to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right: The pretender tried to usurp the throne.

2. to use without authority or right; employ wrongfully: The magazine usurped copyrighted material.

U say that such usurpations are "silly"????????
Do u think that bombing Pearl Harbor was "silly" ????
Was Booth "silly" when he shot Lincoln ?
In my vu, those matters are too serious and grave to be deemed "silly".

sil·ly   noun, plural -lies.
adjective
1. weak-minded or lacking good sense; stupid or foolish: a silly writer.
2. absurd; ridiculous; irrational: a silly idea.

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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2012 08:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
(Btw, McTag is quite right -- this is primarily an American phenomenon; courts elsewhere in the English-speaking -- and non-English-speaking -- world are far less likely to rely on such precedent.)


Did McTag say that? I sure didn't see him say anything of the kind. I think McTag is much much too bright to have said anything that stupid, Merry.
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 10:33 am
@JTT,

I know a backhanded compliment when I see one.

Amazing how these threads develop and expand. Going back to the original passage, I think it is a pity when informal language finds its way into formal reports. It can be confusing for the inexperienced.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 10:53 am
@McTag,
Quote:
I think it is a pity when informal language finds its way into formal reports.


I think it is a greater pity when inaccurate information finds it way into a site that aims to let people "know".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 01:36 pm
@JTT,

Quote:
I think it is a pity when informal language finds its way into formal reports.
JTT wrote:
I think it is a greater pity when inaccurate information finds it way into a site that aims to let people "know".
Then it is OBVIOUS, that u shud not post.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 08:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Says the asshole who avoids discussing the issues immediately after promising to address the same.

Merry even mistakenly described the process and you missed it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 11:59 pm
@JTT,
J, I 'll tell u a secret: ( I have no respect for your mind ),
but if u lead me to where your questions on that point r,
then I 'll attend to that matter now.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 12:01 am
@JTT,
OR, if u reproduce those question here
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 07:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
On top of being a monumental liar, you're a right lazy ****, Om. Not the least bit surprising.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 07:57 am
@JTT,
That's gross, foul and worthless writing, J,
but I 've always taken pride in my laziness.

LAZY as charged !

My languor is exceeded only by my torpor.


If I had not procrastinated so much in adopting a mascot:
he 'd be a sloth.





David

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 08:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
That's merely an accurate description of you, Sig, physically, mentally and emotionally.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 08:47 am
@JTT,
Tell us of the emotions of sloths, J
( if u have the energy ).
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 11:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Tell us of the emotions of sloths, J
( if u have the energy ).


In a word - OmSigDavid
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 02:59 pm
@JTT,

DAVID wrote:
Tell us of the emotions of sloths, J
( if u have the energy ).
JTT wrote:
In a word - OmSigDavid
That is not an emotion,
but it is an example of the distortion to which logic is subjected in your mind.





David
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