So do you view this as a victory?
No, Izzy, just a simple reality.
When you constantly focus on the wrongs of American foreign policy and ignore other country's you're just going to put people's backs up. CI is a very reasonable poster who's political outlook does not appear that different fom my own, but instead of discussing ways in which the world could become a fairer place you've alienated him.
The US is by far the worst. There is widespread ignorance of this fact. it would be one thing if it was simply the ignorance but the constant stream of propaganda touting the US as good is really too much.
I'd love to spend more time on other miscreants but my plate is more than full enough and I don't have the time.
CI is probably the most reasonable American wrt this issue. His alienation was of his own doing. CI is put off/put out because talk of the criminals who do these evils things is "too boring".
Give me a ******* break! Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died, millions of lives destroyed and I'm supposed to feel sorry for CI with his "let them eat cake" attitude.
CI once wondered why more people, I believe he specified Americans, not completely sure, didn't engage in a discussion of these pressing issues. But he didn't.
It took a 13 year old girl and even then, the discussion was mostly about me. Only one adult, Thomas, made a suggestion that we explore the issues. Consider the rest of the "adults".
Instead of documenting the horrors of American Imperialism why not give some concrete, practical measures that people could actually do to make the world a better place? Those Imperialists who like to drape themselves in the American flag don't tend to ignore you, they're quite happy to promote an America first agenda and can label you as a 'freedom hating commie,' without any real intellectual involvement.
Tell me something I don't know, Izzy. And instead of addressing these defenders of war crimes/terrorism - even when it's so abundantly clear - they're given a pass.
Y'all don't do that with Bill or Hawkeye. You can get your collective panties in a real tight bunch right quick about theoretical rape/murder/hit and run questions but hey, the US made a few mistakes, okay, okay, so some unknown numbers of brown skinned people got wiped out. Let's move on.
I personally believe the main factor causing global inequality is the power of the very rich, which can influence the foreign and economic policies of all nations, not just America. The war in Iraq had a lot more to do with the international oil industry's sway over George Bush than anything particularly American.
I personally believe that that is a crock, Izzy, but regardless, the issue is that this was nothing but a war crime. The instigator was the US, led by GW Bush. That needs to be the focus because that man was the criminal in chief. Of course, there are many smaller players, and they too need to be held to account.
If you want to change attitudes you're going to have to adopt different tactics.
You're asking me to baby these adults, these people who know full well that these are facts. No one disputes these facts because they can't. Why should they be coddled.
Bill, Hawkeye and [___] aren't coddled.
Those who support two hundred years of war crimes don't deserve to be coddled.