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What is free will?

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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 09:48 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

God doesn't sound much of a "monster" to me..Smile

Early on, he killed every man, woman and child on earth!
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PS- the JW's re-wrote the bible to suit their own cockamamie ideas ("The New World Translation") so don't take them seriously..Wink
I don't take any God believers seriously :-)
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 12 Nov, 2013 07:37 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
neologist wrote:
The Hebrew word 'sheol', translated 'hell' means 'the grave'. Since the dead are not conscious, nothing happens.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
OK, the afterlife consists of heaven or nothing.
No
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will most people wind up in heaven, or just stay dead?
We were created to live on earth
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Tue 12 Nov, 2013 09:22 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

neologist wrote:
The Hebrew word 'sheol', translated 'hell' means 'the grave'. Since the dead are not conscious, nothing happens.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
OK, the afterlife consists of heaven or nothing.
No
Pasture Timmy wrote:

OK, for the people who don't stay dead after they die, what will they experience?
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will most people wind up in heaven, or just stay dead?
We were created to live on earth

OK, heaven will be on earth.
Will most people experience heaven or stay dead when they die?
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 12:46 am
@Pasture Timmy,
Try to be more careful with the quote function.
neologist wrote:
The Hebrew word 'sheol', translated 'hell' means 'the grave'. Since the dead are not conscious, nothing happens.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
OK, the afterlife consists of heaven or nothing.
neologist wrote:
No
Pasture Timmy wrote:
OK, for the people who don't stay dead after they die, what will they experience?
Will most people wind up in heaven, or just stay dead?
neologist wrote:
We were created to live on earth
Pasture Timmy wrote:
OK, heaven will be on earth.
No
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will most people experience heaven or stay dead when they die?
No
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 06:26 am
@neologist,
Thanks, those are some interesting beliefs you have, good luck.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 01:44 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Enjoy life in the pasture, such as it is.
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 04:49 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
In your own words, why do you think she sinned?
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.

Eve was perfect, how was it possible for her to start behaving badly?
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 05:48 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
So was Satan
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 05:56 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

So was Satan

OK, but Eve was perfect, how was it possible for her to start behaving badly?
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2013 09:04 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
She chose to sin. If that sounds like an oversimplification, I can't change that.
Adam and Eve and the one called Satan were perfect and they chose to sin. Free will would be impossible if it did not allow choice.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 03:56 am
@neologist,
His question stands...a flawless perfect being would only have free will to chose within perfect choices, but not to fault. Furthermore if we consider that there is only one best choice then such being would not have free will.
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 06:54 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

She chose to sin.

Do you think there were reasons Eve chose to sin?
Quote:

Free will would be impossible if it did not allow choice.

Not exactly.
Free will would be impossible if it did not allow for free choice.
It's my contention that Eve's choice was influenced, and therefore not free.

neologist
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 11:42 am
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Free will would be impossible if it did not allow for free choice.
It's my contention that Eve's choice was influenced, and therefore not free.
Quite a stretch, Tim. Yet, if Eve had been deceived, Adam certainly was not deceived.
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 12:16 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
"why do you think she sinned?"
neologist wrote:
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.
What caused Eve to want the wrong things?
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 12:59 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
"why do you think she sinned?"
neologist wrote:
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
What caused Eve to want the wrong things?
You haven't read the 3rd chapter of Genesis, right? If you had, you would know the lie Satan promised Eve.

Are you sure you do not have another a2k identity? Reasoning Logic hasn't posted in a while. But you seem to have inherited his learning curve.
http://able2know.org/user/reasoning_logic/
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 03:46 pm
@neologist,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
"why do you think she sinned?"
neologist wrote:
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
What caused Eve to want the wrong things?
neologist wrote:
"the lie Satan promised Eve."
Should the perfect Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
neologist wrote:
Are you sure you do not have another a2k identity?
Yes.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 05:45 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Should the perfect Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
Yes.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 07:43 pm
@neologist,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Should the perfect Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
neologist wrote:
Yes.

Why should Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 07:56 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Why not?
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 08:42 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Should the perfect Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
neologist wrote:
Yes.
Pasture Timmy wrote:

Why should Eve have been able to resist the lie from Satan?
neologist wrote:

Why not?
You said Eve should have been able to resist Satan's lie, I'd like to know why you think that?


 

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