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What is free will?

 
 
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 14 Feb, 2014 01:39 am
I had a fairly happy childhood but hated being told what to do by parents and teachers all the time.
So when I hit my mid-teens I made the decision that from now on I wasn't going to let anybody make me do anything I didn't want to do, and I've been happy ever since..Smile
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune......God has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners...to release the oppressed" (Matt 11:16/17,Luke 4:18 )

Romeo Fabulini: he dances to nobody's tune!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/POS-swagger2_zps8e311a2c.jpg~original
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Feb, 2014 03:43 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
RF dances with wolves; he just haven't run into one - yet; just a matter of time.+ Mr. Green
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Feb, 2014 04:19 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Romeo Fabulini: he dances to nobody's tune!

Just like Jesus, you dance to God's tune.
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/elihu_core/DancingJesus.gif
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 11:09 am
I'm happy to dance to the Jesus tune, but it's too tough for many other people-
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Romans 12:2)
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil" (Ephesians 6:12)


Tell 'em Johnny..Smile

Jack of Hearts
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 11:52 am
@coolcubed,
Maybe you may believe in determination, but the next key you strike will is done with your own free will. I feel the two are not mutually exclusive. Because if you hit the wrong key, which would start your response, your correction, whether manually or spell-chek; now, or in review, may also be determinism - but the mistake you made was done with your own free will.
Know that the future can examine the past, and past is prologue. Still, the future will see the past, as determined by hindsight and past observations, where no matter what you choose, you will wind up where the determinists said you would. A self- fulfilling prophecy so to speak.

Free will is determining to hit two key strokes, with the second being 'backspace' - what be the first keystroke, even if you hit it eyes closed or not at all, it will be done using free will.

Know that determination and free-will are both unproven theories, and unless we can profile people to the point where we could foretell that first keystroke, it will remain to be theories no more secure than one's religious beliefs
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 03:27 pm
@Jack of Hearts,
While determinism may seem to be a most reasonable approach to our condition, we are told we have a choice:
Quote:
I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life . . . (Deuteronomy 30:19)
It should be noted that God has no more obligation to view our moral outcome than we may have to view the last page of the whodunnit.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 03:28 pm
@Jack of Hearts,
Jack of Hearts wrote:
...if you hit the wrong key, which would start your response, your correction, whether manually or spell-chek; now, or in review, may also be determinism - but the mistake you made was done with your own free will.

So I freely chose to make a mistake?
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 09:55 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I'm happy to dance to the Jesus tune

My being a New-Age Christian Atheist, our beliefs are much alike, except that, in my religion, we don't even pretend to believe the stuff we make up.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:01 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

God has no more obligation to view our moral outcome than we may have to view the last page of the whodunnit.

Does God have any obligations?
Jack of Hearts
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:52 pm
@Pasture Timmy,

Yes, He has promises to keep.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 11:00 pm
@Jack of Hearts,
Jack of Hearts wrote:


Yes, He has promises to keep.

Will God keep all his promises?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2014 11:20 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
My being a New-Age Christian Atheist, our beliefs are much alike, except that, in my religion, we don't even pretend to believe the stuff we make up.
Very insightful, Laughing
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 04:57 am
Quote:
Pasture Timmy said: My being a New-Age Christian Atheist, our beliefs are much alike, except that, in my religion, we don't even pretend to believe the stuff we make up

Ha ha you must belong to "The Church of Jesus Without Jesus" in the hilarious film "Wise Blood", where "the blind don't see and the lame don't walk and what's dead stays that way”

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/wise-blood.jpg~original
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 10:28 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
neologist wrote:
Pasture Timmy wrote:
My being a New-Age Christian Atheist, our beliefs are much alike, except that, in my religion, we don't even pretend to believe the stuff we make up.
Very insightful, Laughing
Yes, a rarity I think, among those who claim to actually believe their beliefs.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Quote:
Pasture Timmy said: My being a New-Age Christian Atheist, our beliefs are much alike, except that, in my religion, we don't even pretend to believe the stuff we make up
Ha ha you must belong to "The Church of Jesus Without Jesus" in the hilarious film "Wise Blood", where "the blind don't see and the lame don't walk and what's dead stays that way”
That was a fun movie, demonstrating the horror of a person who actually attempted to believe their beliefs.
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 10:31 am
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Jack of Hearts wrote:
...if you hit the wrong key, which would start your response, your correction, whether manually or spell-chek; now, or in review, may also be determinism - but the mistake you made was done with your own free will.

So I freely chose to make a mistake?
If so, why do people choose to make typing mistakes?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 02:28 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Jack of Hearts wrote:
Yes, He has promises to keep.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will God keep all his promises?
Half of the promise in Genesis 3:15 has come to pass.
More important for us than one might be inclined to think.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 05:28 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Jack of Hearts wrote:
Yes, He has promises to keep.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will God keep all his promises?
Half of the promise in Genesis 3:15 has come to pass.
More important for us than one might be inclined to think.
Will God keep all his promises?
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2014 02:11 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will God keep all his promises?
So far, he bats 1000
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2014 04:01 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
Will God keep all his promises?
So far, he bats 1000
Are you uncertain that God will keep all his promises?
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2014 08:50 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
No.
 

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