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What is free will?

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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 01:36 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
So God designed Eve in such a way, that she would sin when enticed by the Serpent.
Your conclusion is not in harmony with the perfection of God's work.


How so?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 01:46 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
So God designed Eve in such a way, that she would sin when enticed by the Serpent.
neologist wrote:
Your conclusion is not in harmony with the perfection of God's work.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
How so?
Are you saying Eve did not have free will?
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 02:45 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Are you saying Eve did not have free will?


I'm attempting to examine your understanding of Eve's situation to determine whether or not her will was free.

Did God design Eve in such a way, that she would sin when enticed by the Serpent?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 02:52 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Did God design Eve in such a way, that she would sin when enticed by the Serpent?
No
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 05:22 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
Did God design Eve in such a way, that she would sin when enticed by the Serpent?
No

In your own words, why do you think she sinned?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 05:38 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:
In your own words, why do you think she sinned?
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 05:44 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
In your own words, why do you think she sinned?
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.

Did she understand what the punishment for that would be?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 05:58 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
I don't continue giving answers to students who don't do their homework.
Read the first 3 chapters of Genesis and come back
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 06:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

He also knew whether Esau would go to heaven or hell.

According to neologist, it seems that God doesn't know such things about the people he created. God just put creation into motion and let the chips fall where they may.
Pasture Timmy wrote:
Does God sometimes choose to know our moral choices in advance?
neologist wrote:

He did in the case of Esau.
That he does not for the rest of mankind is among his greatest gifts to us.

And not knowing our outcome "somehow" makes free will possible, which is one of Gods greatest gifts to mankind. And this gift allows it to be fair and just that the majority of people who will ever live, to burn in hell for eternity.
What neologist has confirmed for me is, at all cost, do NOT accept gifts from the God he believes in, lol.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 06:49 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Didn't know you believed in hell. I somehow thought you might be smarter
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 06:53 pm
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:

neologist wrote:

Pasture Timmy wrote:
In your own words, why do you think she sinned?
She wanted moral license. The ability to set her own standards for right and wrong.

Did she understand what the punishment for that would be?

If she did understand it, she must have been insane to have sinned anyway.
Apparently, insane people deserve punishment for not overcoming their inability to make sane choices.
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Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Nov, 2013 06:56 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Didn't know you believed in hell. I somehow thought you might be smarter


You don't believe in hell?
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 09:44 am
@Pasture Timmy,
Pasture Timmy wrote:

neologist wrote:

Didn't know you believed in hell. I somehow thought you might be smarter


I suspect that you believe in hell (afterlife punishment from God), but are drawn to less grisly hell beliefs in attempt to make the Bible seem less loony/more palatable.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 09:53 am
@Pasture Timmy,
The Bible does not support belief in an afterlife. When you're dead, you're dead.
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 10:08 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

The Bible does not support belief in an afterlife. When you're dead, you're dead.


Are you a member of NACA?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 10:24 am
Neologist claimed:
Quote:
The Bible does not support belief in an afterlife. When you're dead, you're dead

GO SIT HERE THIS INSTANT for spouting your Jehovah's Witness satanic twaddle!..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/naughty-step_zpseb4d36c1.jpg~original

There's a truckload of verses that say there's an afterlife, check this few--
Jesus said:- "All in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)
Jesus said of his dead friend:-"Lazarus is asleep, but I'm going to wake him up now" (John 11:11)
"Sleepers in the dust of the earth shall awake,to eternal life or contempt" (Dan 12:2)
"Awake and sing,you who dwell in dust,the earth shall cast out her dead" (Isa 26:19)
"I will open your graves,and you shall know I am the Lord" (Ezekiel 37:12)
"And the sea gave up the dead that were in it" (Rev 20:13)
"In the twinkling of an eye the dead shall be raised imperishable and we shall be changed" (1 Cor 15:52)
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)
But if you JW's don't want to come to the party that's their business..Smile
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 10:37 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Neologist claimed:
Quote:
The Bible does not support belief in an afterlife. When you're dead, you're dead

Romeo Fabulini, wrote:
GO SIT HERE THIS INSTANT for spouting your Jehovah's Witness satanic twaddle!..Smile
Oh, so he's JW.
Well Neologist, I support your right to be a JW without the need to set on the naughty step, just as I would be against a requirement for members of my church "NACA" to set on a naughty step.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 10:57 am
Hey PT, what's NACA short for anyway? i googled around but there's a whole bunch of different things. And are you a Pastor or Pasture?
Pasture Timmy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 01:34 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Hey PT, what's NACA short for anyway? i googled around but there's a whole bunch of different things. And are you a Pastor or Pasture?
Hi.
I'm a self-anointed Pasture of the one true church, New Age Christian Atheists.
A lot like the JW, I guarantee that no member will wake up in hell-on fire, after they die.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 11 Nov, 2013 03:46 pm
Pasture Timmy said:
Quote:
I'm a self-anointed Pasture of the one true church, New Age Christian Atheists

Wow, you're like Brad Dourif in 'Wise Blood', he founded 'The Church of Jesus Without Jesus' where the blind stay blind, the lame stay lame, and the dead stay that way"..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/wise-blood.jpg~original
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_Blood_(film)
 

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