2012 general elections read as twenty twelve general elections?

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The new political group “Americans Elect” has quietly been collecting signatures needed for to get on statewide ballots in the 2012 general elections. But the group doesn’t plan to run a candidate, and it doesn’t have a platform or an ideology.

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[+3] - MontereyJack - 11/26/2011Not parallel cases. 2012 is one quantity, it's not 1+1+1+1..... John and Joe are two discrete entities. Besides, do you say the year 1998 for example as "One thousand and nine hundred and...

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@oristarA,

It is said both ways: twenty twelve or two thousand and twelve.

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@oristarA,

yes.

2008 is "two thousand and eight"...

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@OmSigDAVID,

i think most people say "twenty twelve" because there are fewer syllables involved...

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

i think most people say "twenty twelve" because there are fewer syllables involved...

I predict that that means of expression will prevail.
It IS paradigmatic, in that we used to say: "1998, 1999" etc.
I still tend to say 2 thousand and eleven.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I think "and" can be dropped in "2 thousand and eleven," Dave.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

I think "and" can be dropped in "2 thousand and eleven," Dave.

I disagree.

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Eventually "twenty twelve" will win, even "twenty-oh-eight" eventually.

Proof: when was the battle of hastings? One thousand and sixty-six? George Orwell's 0ne Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Four?

I think it's only the proximity and novelty of the year Two Thousand that has given it temporary coin. (and 2001 A Space Oddessy)

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@Eorl,

Eorl wrote:

Eventually "twenty twelve" will win, even "twenty-oh-eight" eventually.

Proof: when was the battle of hastings? One thousand and sixty-six? George Orwell's 0ne Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Four?

I think it's only the proximity and novelty of the year Two Thousand that has given it temporary coin. (and 2001 A Space Oddessy)

AGREED.

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I disagree with David's disagreement. Two thousand twelve is fine. No "and"..

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@MontereyJack,

Its a little awkward, but its barely acceptable.

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@MontereyJack,

It's an American thing. We never drop the "and".

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@Eorl,

Eorl wrote:

It's an American thing. We never drop the "and".

Aren't David an American? He prefers BE to AE? Very Happy

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@oristarA,

Eorl wrote:

It's an American thing. We never drop the "and".

oristarA wrote:

Aren't David an American? He prefers BE to AE?

I agree with Eorl.
The other way is less acceptable; awkward.

Let there be no doubt that I am an American, by birthright.

David

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So am I, at least five generations on both sides. I just checked with all of them astrally: no "and".

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Eorl wrote:
It's an American thing. We never drop the "and".

oristarA wrote:
Aren't David an American? He prefers BE to AE?
I agree with Eorl.
The other way is less acceptable; awkward.

Let there be no doubt that I am an American, by birthright.
David

I've always thought that you appreciate terser expressions, Dave, and now you impressed me with insisting "longer ones," which makes me almost fainted. Very Happy

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@oristarA,

Eorl wrote:

It's an American thing. We never drop the "and".

oristarA wrote:

Aren't David an American? He prefers BE to AE?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I agree with Eorl.
The other way is less acceptable; awkward.

Let there be no doubt that I am an American, by birthright.
David

oristarA wrote:

I've always thought that you appreciate terser expressions, Dave,
and now you impressed me with insisting "longer ones," which makes me almost fainted.

Terse is good; I had not thought of it that way, in particular.
2000 is two thousand; 2001 is two thousand and 1.
On the other hand, in America it has been the practice
to say, e.g.: "back in 19O7, there was less annoying liberalism."
That is: "nineteen O seven" = "nineteen [letter] O seven . . ."
A lot depends on to what I've become accustomed,
except in the case of forms (like some spelling) that offends my sense of logic.

David

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Yeah, I drop the "and" when pronouncing "two thousand twelve." "And" seems unnecessary.
I prefer to say "two thousand twelve" instead of "twenty twelve" when pronouncing the number 2012.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Yeah, I drop the "and" when pronouncing "two thousand twelve." "And" seems unnecessary.

Do u say "John and Joe" when referring to 2 guys, or is it "unnecessary"
so that u say "John Joe" to indicate 1 plus the other ??????

David

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Not parallel cases. 2012 is one quantity, it's not 1+1+1+1.....
John and Joe are two discrete entities.
Besides, do you say the year 1998 for example as "One thousand and nine hundred and ninety and eight"?
Putting just one "and" in there is purely arbitrary, not "logical" at all, David.
You're the big exponent of "logic", and you haven't a logical leg to stand on here.
You have your version of usage only, and it doesn't coincide with others' usage.
And as far as I can see, either is perfectly fine.

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