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The GOP's Worst Nightmare

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 10:39 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

The ads you refer to are usually lawyers who are after a buck. The drug companies have done much more to help people then they have to hurt people. As someone noted above, thalidamide is currently used in other countries and they don't seem to have the same issues we did.
If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing for free, and our drug companies have always charged what the market will bear, plus advertizing cost... Do that many men suffer from erectile disfunction??? Why does no one offer them a pill to be happy they don't have to bump their uglies with anyone no more...Let's get this straight... You don't want to disappoint the woman you are cheating on your wife to be with, you might go blind, or she might turn blue at any moment, and you might have to call your doctor because your hard on may last for more than four hours; and who wants that??? Why not hand out pills that can let you fck and fart at the same time since the whole situation is probably going to stink anyway, and, it is good to multitask... The possible side effects alone should be enough to discourage anyone from taking some of these meds, but since they advertize the side effects with the meds, you can't say that you weren't warned... It is crazy... I take a lot of vitamins to get by with an active life while I enjoy a lot of old work injuries... I really don't think there is a cure out there for unhappiness, or a meaningless life, or a multitude of bad habits, or the want of love... The poisons we must suffer as a result of our economic activity has no cure but the expensive one of cleaning up our messes... For the rich to believe their medicine may cure them will the poor must suffer and die from the same man made conditions is outrageous.... It is all an expense, like that of keeping so many in jail, that no society can long bear...
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 12:56 pm
@Fido,
I don't know what you are talking about.

A friend of ours is on public assistance and has CHP+, his kid and mine both take the same meds. Through my insurance the meds are costing me $45 a month. My friend on public assistance pays $2 for the same meds. Can you explain your statement on how people do not have access to all the same meds as the rich. Keep in mind that I'm not rich. The wife and I make about 70k a year. If your statement is true, then how is it we both have access to the same drugs but he pays less then I do. Guess who is paying the cost for the rest of his kids meds? I am as a tax payer.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 01:01 pm
@Baldimo,
"Nationwide, 16.3% of the population was uninsured last year"

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/census_bureau_health_insurance/index.htm

this doesn't take into account all of the people that pay through the nose for coverage that is not close to adequate...
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 01:22 pm
@Rockhead,
I have a hard time with any statistics based on the Census. They claim that 49 million people were without health insurance. How many of those people are US citizens, how many of those people choose to not have insurance, how many of those people received insurance since the census. These are all questions that are not answered with the census. I'm not willing to provide health insurance to 10 or 15 million illegal aliens here in this country.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 01:25 pm
@Baldimo,
you're right.

it's probably all slackers and mexicans.

we're the health care leaders of the free world, don'tcha know...

maroon.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 01:30 pm
@Baldimo,
I'll see if I an get some numbers form a credible source for you.

I'm guessing Fox news and mr Limbaugh is my best bet...
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 01:56 pm
@Rockhead,
Fox doesn't publish #'s and Rush is a tool.

We need a more in depth study of the issue. Asking who is a citizen on the census form would go a long way to helping figure this out.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:16 pm
How many of those illegals do you think actually did the census? I'm gonna guess not many...
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:22 pm
@Ceili,
I'm willing to bet it is more then you think. Why should they be afraid to do the census, they do not ask if they are citizens. What fear do they have of being counted?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:24 pm
@Baldimo,
much like the american indians before them, they fear that the american government might lie to them about something important...
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Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Ok, I'm not sure how your census is done or the questions they ask.
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 06:58 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

I don't know what you are talking about.

A friend of ours is on public assistance and has CHP+, his kid and mine both take the same meds. Through my insurance the meds are costing me $45 a month. My friend on public assistance pays $2 for the same meds. Can you explain your statement on how people do not have access to all the same meds as the rich. Keep in mind that I'm not rich. The wife and I make about 70k a year. If your statement is true, then how is it we both have access to the same drugs but he pays less then I do. Guess who is paying the cost for the rest of his kids meds? I am as a tax payer.
It is not just meds, but medicine... And it is the people in the middle who are most hurt... You are made poor paying for the meds you need and another is put on the street, and then when they are very poor, then the government will help, but what about all the preventive care many are missing??? What about a cancer diagnosis when it might save a life rather when it means a death sentence... Sure, the poor induce a lot of illness with their life choices, like drinking, drugs and smoking... They value life little and have lifes as a result that no one would value...And though I do not have the statistics before me, and do not even care to look them up, it used to be fact, that rich people and poor people with the same illnesses have widely different rates of recovery... Am I correct, or are you simple going to offer another personal perspective???
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 07:00 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

I have a hard time with any statistics based on the Census. They claim that 49 million people were without health insurance. How many of those people are US citizens, how many of those people choose to not have insurance, how many of those people received insurance since the census. These are all questions that are not answered with the census. I'm not willing to provide health insurance to 10 or 15 million illegal aliens here in this country.


Really??? The closest thing we have to a truely scientific approach to government and the allocation of resources, and you have a hard time with it... What you clearly do not see is that public health is a public health problem, and that even world public health is an American public health problem because transportation and trade are global.
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