Are we ever going to find Gaddafi?

The Great Man-made River Project (GMRP)
of Libya
• In the mid of the 1980’s, work started on the world biggest
engineering project (‘eighth wonder of the world’)
• Objective of the project: deliver water from Libya’s aquifers
underlying the xeric regions to the countries big cities on the coast

Project subdivided into 5 phases: end of phase I inaugurated in 1991, last phase
completed in 2005

A majority, 85%, of Libya's export of its high-quality, low-sulfur light sweet crude go to Western Europe, but oil experts say the country currently is producing only 10%-15% of its normal 1.6 billion barrels a day.
"To reach the maximum of 1.6 million barrels per day, before the revolution started, that could happen anytime between a year or two years from now," Manouchehr Takin of the Centre for Global Energy tells CNN.

But international oil companies have yet to assess oil fields in the south and west, which produce most of the nation's oil. U.S. companies that were active in Libya before the war, including Hess Corp. and Marathon Oil Corp. have not returned workers to the country.

Nuri Berruien, the head of the national oil company, told The Associated Press earlier this month that most of the damage appears to be from corrosion. Some older oil fields, such as those of the Sirte basin, require water or natural gas injection to maintain pressure in the reservoir, and that has not been done for more than six months.

Two important oil terminals, which are needed to export oil, are said to be severely damaged, but another is said to have suffered little damage. Also, looters have made off with essential oil field equipment such as power generators, pumps and trucks.

And there are other issues. Many of the country's most experienced and senior oil engineers are seen by workers as Gadhafi loyalists. At one field, workers are refusing to work until these top engineers are removed

1) Gadaffi was an enlightened ruler, beloved by his people

By a hefty majority, yes.

Gaddifi's dictatorship speaks for itself in terms of his "enlightenment." I can find no legitimate proof of the claim that a hefty majority of Libyans loved him, can you? I suppose you believe that Saddam securing 100% of votes in his one man election proved he was beloved as well.

2) Conditions in Libya were superior to anywhere else in Northern Africa and the Middle East

Superior to the US of A and Australia as well.

Now that's simply nonsense that you cannot objectively prove.

3) Democracy has failed in the West

Certainly has. Voting is meaningless. Money talks, and bullshit walks.

More nonsense

4) The West has embarked on a new wave of imperialism that not only targeted Libya, but is targeting Syria, Iran, and Venezuela

In time, yes to all of the above.

What Empire now controls Libya that will, in time, control these other nations. There can't be an imperialistic wave without an Empire. What proof do you have for this claim?

5) The rebels who may or may not have lynched black skinned Gaddafi mercenaries were NATO "ground forces"

The "rebels" were paid mercs. What NATO did with them has not been proven either way.

Paid by whom? Again, where is your proof? Were the rebels in Egypt, Tunisia, and Bahrain paid mercs as well?

6) The people she spoke with, who had nothing but good things to say about Gaddafi and Libya, were not influenced by the presence of Gaddafi's secret police or part of and beneficiaries of the Gaddafi tribal network.

The "tribal network" was nowhere to be seen. This was filmed after the NATO bombing and invasion of an unoccupied city.

The entire region is driven, in large part, by tribal ties. If you are a member of the same tribe as the dictator, the chances are pretty good that you have benefited from that connection and are quite fond of the dictator. It's not a coincidence that he made his last stand in his tribal center. If the Libyan secret police ever abandoned Gaddafi, we can't know when it might have happened, but there was a long history of secret police activity and the jailing and disappearance of dissidents. Even at the end, people within any city which Gaddafi controlled had to be wary if only through force of habit. It was never without serious peril to complain about Gaddafi to foreign journalists - even if they themselves swooned over the brutal lunatic.
7) The roughly 5 million Libyans who opposed the Gaddafi regime didn't know a good thing when they had it, or had been bought off by Western Imperialists

"Roughly" being the key word here. Fifty thousand paid mercs with pockets full of coin and an arsenal can be quite convincing to a desert dweller. Where do you get this figure from?

I get the number from the video. At one point the woman decries the fact that 1.4 million Libyans who supported Gaddafi were never talked to by the media. The entire population of Libya is 6.4 million and so simple math tells you that, according to this woman, roughly 5 million people didn't support the dictator.

8) Al Jazeera is a tool of Western Imperialism

Al Jazeera TV is worth a look. Do you have it at thome?

We can view Al Jazeera English online. Not sure if it's available in among the 1000 TV channels I can get on my TV

That's not the point, the woman claims Al Jazeera is (or at least was in terms of Libya) a tool of Western Imperialism. Do you believe that to be the case?

9) The Arab Spring was incited by Western Imperialists

You tell me. I didn't see it. Was in remote west Kimberley at that time. One radio station, and no TV.

And yet you know so much about Libya. In any case, it's not me making the claim, it's the woman in your video.

Let me get this straight; Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy are the bad guys while Gaddafi, Assad, The Iranian Mullahs and Chavez are the good guys?

Birds of a feather, flock together. The former are picture postcard boys of the corporate machine. The latter are free-thinking visionary radicals.

You must be at heart a fascist.

As for the rest of your post, I could honour it with a response, but you seem to have built a rather successful fortress around what you use to think with,

What a pathetic dodge. Respond or not as you see fit, but I hardly consider a reply from you to be an honor.


so I'll leave you with this question of mine, Finn.

Does anyone who doubts the MSM and their propagandist writers immediately fall into a derogatory genre in your mindset?

Not at all. I have little faith in the MSM myself, but even less in the entirely unsupported propaganda spouted by fascist left-wingers who worship blood handed tyrants as visionary revolutionaries.

Sorry if I implied that! I was just saying that sometimes the cure is worse than the ailment. I'm not sure how one values "freedom," but we killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's for the "freedom" that now has more violence than when Saddam was the "leader." Most Iraqi's probably felt safer under Saddam than the subsequent results.

Singapore has many restrictions against their citizens, but they are happy as a people in their restrictive environment.