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WHICH Candidate for the Republican Nomination Is the MOST LIBERTARIAN ON the 2nd AMENDMENT?

 
 
Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 05:45 am

WHICH Candidate for the GOP Nomination
Is the MOST LIBERTARIAN ON the 2nd AMENDMENT?

Opinions ?
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 08:10 am

ANY ideas on who favors the MOST 2nd Amendment personal freedom ?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 08:35 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I think it might be Gary Johnson, one time governor of New Mexico.

Quote:
"I don't believe there should be any restrictions when it comes to firearms. None."
April 20, 2011, Slate Magazine
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 08:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Is this a test?

Since he is the most libertarian candidate in the race, I would imagine it is Ron Paul.

I would think Cain, Perry and Bachmann all find broad rights under the 2nd Amendment.

My guess is that Huntsman can find societal concerns that trump the right of everyone to bear arms.

If you go to each of their websites they probably have staked out a position on the topic.

Will you report back to us?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 08:38 am
@boomerang,
Keep forgetting he's a candidate Boomer - you're right.
boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:02 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I kind of like him. I think it's really unfortunate that he hasn't been invited to any debates.
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:05 am
@boomerang,
He's been in two of them. One in May and this week's FL debate.

http://www.slate.com/id/2304429/

Quote:
Over two hours, Johnson would get four questions. This was better than he expected; when he previewed his non-strategy to me, he guessed he'd get "two and a half." Every question got the same answer, with a series of lines rearranged like parsley on a plate.

"I think I vetoed more bills than any governor in the country." (True.)

"I will submit a balanced budget for 2013." (We may never know.)

"I think the biggest threat to our national security is that we're bankrupt." (We're not, technically, but this a nice line to co-opt from the Tea Party.)

One hour and 44 minutes in, Johnson got his fourth question. It was obviously going to be his last—maybe his last question in this format ever. He deployed a zinger.

"My next door neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than this president."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:09 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
I think it might be Gary Johnson, one time governor of New Mexico.

Quote:
"I don't believe there should be any restrictions when it comes to firearms. None."
April 20, 2011, Slate Magazine
THANK U, boomer.
I think that says it pretty well and that is what the Founders had in mind.
THEIR idea of gun control was making it a crime to be unarmed (in Colonial America). Again, thank u.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Is this a test?
Its a test for THEM.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Since he is the most libertarian candidate in the race, I would imagine it is Ron Paul.
One of the reasons that he appears not to be electable,
is that he 's indicated that a nuclear armed Iran is OK with him.
9/11/1 was dramatic enuf without a nuclear element involved.





Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I would think Cain, Perry and Bachmann all find broad rights under the 2nd Amendment.

My guess is that Huntsman can find societal concerns that trump the right of everyone to bear arms.

If you go to each of their websites they probably have staked out a position on the topic.

Will you report back to us?
Here is the report:
Cain is a moderate on 2nd Amendment freedom.
He wants to leave it up to State governments.
He does not appear to be well informed on the subject,
among quite a few others. He has publicly embarrassed himself with ignorance.

Michele Bachmann has said that she supports the 2nd Amendment
and then directly went into her support of hunting; i.e., she thinks
that the Constitution was amended to protect your right to participate in sports;
nothing qua self defense; not thrilling. She doesn 't even know the words, let alone the music.


NJ's Chris Christie has commented pretty much of nothing about it;
does not look very good.

Perry quipped that he believes in "gun control": use 2 hands.
On the face of it, that sounds good, but I 'd like it more specific.

None of them were as good as Johnson.





David
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Ron Paul would be my guess considering he literally is the libertarian's candidate and by his very nature follows every libertarian creed by the book.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:42 am
@tsarstepan,
Decide for yourself David:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-12-09/ron-paul-on-gun-control/
And
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:42 am

Gary Johnson
From Wikipedia:
" On May 30, 2003, he reached the summit of Mount Everest"

If he is elected, he will probably be America 's first President
who has climbed Mount Everest.





David
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
One of the reasons that he (Ron Paul)appears not to be electable,
is that he 's indicated that a nuclear armed Iran is OK with him.
9/11/1 was dramatic enuf without a nuclear element involved.


How does his isolationism inform his position on 2nd Amendment rights?

You asked who is the most libertarian on 2nd Amendment rights, not who is the biggest Hawk.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:48 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
Ron Paul would be my guess considering he literally is the libertarian's candidate
and by his very nature follows every libertarian creed by the book.
Yes. I have withdrawn my support for the wars in Iraq and in Afganistan,
in that our missions were successfully accomplished several years ago, yet we remain there.

In Congress, there appears to be bi-partisan support for these wars.
I don' t know Y.
Maybe there is a good reason,
but I don 't know what it is.

Ron Paul impresses me as being rather an extreme pacifist
concerning a nuclear armed Iran.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:54 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
David wrote:
One of the reasons that he (Ron Paul)appears not to be electable,
is that he 's indicated that a nuclear armed Iran is OK with him.
9/11/1 was dramatic enuf without a nuclear element involved.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
How does his isolationism inform his position on 2nd Amendment rights?
The Iranians have no rights under the US Constitution.



Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You asked who is the most libertarian on 2nd Amendment rights, not who is the biggest Hawk.
True, but I am loathe to awaken to a mushroom cloud rising from Manhattan; might bring bad luck.
What do u think of that situation ??





David
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 09:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Every now and then you need to bring lines back into your thinking.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 10:25 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Every now and then you need to bring lines back into your thinking.
WHAT "lines"??

Lines of WHAT ??
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 10:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
One of the reasons that he appears not to be electable,
is that he 's indicated that a nuclear armed Iran is OK with him.
9/11/1 was dramatic enuf without a nuclear element involved.


You ignorant piece of rat ****. [my apologies to rat ****]

Iran has never invaded the US and dumped its government and installed their own dictator.

Iran has never used nuclear weapons on innocent civilians, twice, and lied about why they did so.

Iran didn't come close to using nuclear weapons against the people of Korea.

Iran hasn't been selling armaments all over the planet causing enormous problems.

Iran hasn't been supporting brutal right wing dictators planet wide.

Iran hasn't invaded numerous countries worldwide, causing the deaths of millions.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 10:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David,

Iran claims it has the right to have nuclear weapons for the same reason that you want and need guns. Iran wants to be able to defend themselves with superior firepower against people who might infringe on their rights.

It seems that you and Iran are on the same side on this issue.
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engineer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 10:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

One of the reasons that he appears not to be electable,
is that he 's indicated that a nuclear armed Iran is OK with him.
9/11/1 was dramatic enuf without a nuclear element involved.

If you believe that the right to self defense is God given, why would you not support nuclear arms for all countries on Earth? Nuclear arms are to countries as hand guns are to people.
 

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