Can't Describe My Disappointment

@sozobe,

sozobe wrote:

OK, we've gone from "Obama did something that pissed me off" to "OK he hasn't done it but he might, and by the way he's a huge disappointment" to "OK so he's gotten a lot of good things done but he can't just be good, he has to be OUTSTANDING."

You are the perfect example of how the left will NOT stop spinning anything just as the right does.

Obama has done a LOT of things that pissed me off.
It is my opinion, BASED ON ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE that he will allow Congress to water this proposal down incredibly. You cannot deny he has done this with other things, healthcare being the greatest example.
I recognize that he's done some good things and I have credited him for them and also defended him to the right here on these pages and elsewhere. . I thought that made me reasonable but apparently it makes me indecisive and unreasonable.
Do you deny that an outstanding President was needed with all the crap Obama has inherited? Do you confidently state he's done an outstanding job?

1 Reply

@blueveinedthrobber,

I'm sure he's done a lot of things that pissed you off, the point is that THIS thread is based on you being pissed about something he hasn't done!

I do think that's worth pointing out, yes.

I don't think he will let Congress water this proposal down "incredibly."

I think he's compromised on lots of things, sure, which again and again not incidentally is how this stuff works. You can't just waltz in and say "yeah, so we're doing this now kay? seeyabye." It's a process. And he got it done. Healthcare, which had been attempted for a long time, finally got done under his watch.

I'm a pragmatist, not a purist. So's he as it happens. That's exactly what we needed at this point IMO. I know you disagree.

How 'bout a bet? I think he's going to win in 2012, and get a bunch MORE done 2013-2017. And then we look back at the whole eight years and see how outstanding he's been.

2 Replies

@Cycloptichorn,

You're not calling me a racist but you are denigrating my beliefs, opinions and "mentality".

Obama has been a good enough guy who talked a great game and may be as sincere as any politician is capable of.... but that's not the issue. He has NOT been an outstanding President, he has presented rightly or wrongly as weak to enough of the general public to make a Rick Perry or other GOP candidate a REAL possibility. Not very wily when dealing with the kind of old shark campaigners that wake up every day wanting nothing more than him to fail regardless of the cost, and a lot of them ARE racist motivated. Either he didn't realize that going in which would make him not as smart as he appears or he knew and went in anyway which means he put his own wants ahead of everything else and is just another self serving politician. He wasn't ready, he should have been more patient and waited his turn. Hillary may not have been smarter, the right may have hated her, but they did and do respect her and she's white. If you don't think that being black added more fuel to the fire with these old school conservative GOP people, you are naive. Now if Obama is a one term President, something that's quite possible, it'll be a cold day in hell before we have another black president and that's a shame, truly.

1 Reply

@sozobe,

I still can't be insured...there's nothing affordable available to me, rates have gone UP and more and more people are losing their benefits. Explain to me, like I'm a 4 year old about the success of the Obama healthcare triumph. My daughter has health insurance through her work and pays for some of it, but it's so basic she's swimming in medical debt she can't pay anyway as am I because she makes 10.00 an hour. I don't consider that a success.

0 Replies

@sozobe,

I hope you're right, I truly do,especially given what the repubs are throwing into the ring. I'm not as much of an optimist as you are.

0 Replies

@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

You're not calling me a racist but you are denigrating my beliefs, opinions and "mentality".

Well, yeah. But not calling ya a racist.

Quote:

Obama has been a good enough guy who talked a great game and may be as sincere as any politician is capable of.... but that's not the issue. He has NOT been an outstanding President, he has presented rightly or wrongly as weak to enough of the general public to make a Rick Perry or other GOP candidate a REAL possibility. Not very wily when dealing with the kind of old shark campaigners that wake up every day wanting nothing more than him to fail regardless of the cost, and a lot of them ARE racist motivated. Either he didn't realize that going in which would make him not as smart as he appears or he knew and went in anyway which means he put his own wants ahead of everything else and is just another self serving politician. He wasn't ready, he should have been more patient and waited his turn. Hillary may not have been smarter, the right may have hated her, but they did and do respect her and she's white. If you don't think that being black added more fuel to the fire with these old school conservative GOP people, you are naive. Now if Obama is a one term President, something that's quite possible, it'll be a cold day in hell before we have another black president and that's a shame, truly.

I know that his being black added fuel to the fire; I specifically mentioned that above in my response to Woiyo.

I don't believe the right-wing respects Hillary Clinton in the slightest. But I do believe that you're still sore that Obama beat her, and have had a chip on your shoulder about that since the election.

You oughta knock it off and start looking at a glass that's half full, instead of half empty.

Cycloptichorn

1 Reply

@Cycloptichorn,

So exactly what policies so far, over the past 3 years has been able to achieve your goal of adding 150K private sector jobs????

Obama now owns this economy. Failed strategies he used in year 1 are the same strategies he wants to use now.

A definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

His current "American Jobs Act" is insanity and can not work. His own party is against it.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DEF91CE7-00CC-4D50-8666-DA41AEF46CB6

2 Replies

@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

So exactly what policies so far, over the past 3 years has been able to achieve your goal of adding 150K private sector jobs????

The ARRA immediately heralded a turnaround in our situation; after its' passage, we immediately began shedding less jobs and finally adding more. But you are correct that it wasn't big enough to do the trick, and now that it's mostly finished, our economy is still struggling; in large part because the underlying causes of the crash have not been addressed.

Here's a chart showing private sector job creation since Obama took office:

http://wamo.info/pa/110708_privatejobs.jpg

The blue bars are months since Obama took office, the red before. Do you see the magnitude of the mess the last group fucked Obama with? A half a year of terrible and protracted job losses that the Republicans and Bush did nothing about, didn't even have a clue how to do anything about it.

Quote:

Obama now owns this economy. Failed strategies he used in year 1 are the same strategies he wants to use now.

They didn't fail. This is a substance-free talking point on the part of the right wing.

Quote:

His current "American Jobs Act" is insanity and can not work. His own party is against it.

It's not insanity, it both can and will work, though once again it's too small to work as well as we would like.

Cycloptichorn

1 Reply

So the fact that he has done half of a job of recovering the economy makes him a half of a success which helps the Bush type republicans running for the presidency and congress a great chance to recover their power over our government dosent bother you? I have been a liberal all my life but dont believe that Obama is respected by anyone both centerest or liberal. He has no balls and is much more of a conservative than a liberal. His policies have shown him to be right of center and unwilling to fight for even center policies. BVT is right, you are wrong and are in denial about this president job performance. We need a liberal in the presidency but will wind up with a republican because you are too blind to see the writing on the wall.

0 Replies

@Cycloptichorn,

The arrogance of the right is not any greater than the arrogance of the left. You're a perfect example of that.

1 Reply

@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

The arrogance of the right is not any greater than the arrogance of the left. You're a perfect example of that.

Sure, but neither of us are half as annoying as the arrogant Middle in this country.

And, let's be honest. You're attacking Obama from the left, and I'm defending him from the center; and I am the one who is an example of the arrogant left?

You wrote:

Quote:

He has not been a bad President considering.... but we needed an OUTSTANDING president. Just okay isn't good enough. I and many others knew that going in. I voted for Obama but only to keep those two idiots out. Things have turned out exacttly as I predicted, and I'm no more bright than the next guy.

You're saying that he compromised too much with the Republicans and didn't act as much of a Liberal as he should have. C'mon. I turn the accusation that I'm the 'arrogant left' right back around on ya.

Cycloptichorn

0 Replies

Whether he, you or I am left right or center, the guy just hasn't produced on the main things he was elected for. Spin any way you like. I'm done. I know I'm right. I hope I'm wrong about a GOP President in 2012.

1 Reply

Bear, I know you wanted Hillary in the White House. Hell, even Cheney agrees with you.

But Obama got rid of Bin Laden(Bush couldn't do it).
Obama got rid of Gaddafi.(Reagan couldn't do it)
In fact, Obama is very good at "leading from behind the scenes"

From the New Yorker: "The trouble with so much of the conservative critique of Obama's foreign policy is that it cares less about outcomes than about the assertion of America's power and the affirmation of it's glory"

As far as domestic policy...I can't imagine McCain/Palin doing any better.

1 Reply

@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

Whether he, you or I am left right or center, the guy just hasn't produced on the main things he was elected for. Spin any way you like. I'm done. I know I'm right. I hope I'm wrong about a GOP President in 2012.

It's not that I totally disagree with this position; of course, there have been some pretty big disappointments for me. I can only hope that Obama has finally figured out that preemptively compromising with the other side is a terrible negotiation tactic.

re: 2012, I think that he has an excellent chance at winning, in large part b/c the opposition is of such a poor quality. Obama's crew will point out over and over that Perry is Bush's right-hand man, and that will be a big problem for him right there...

Cycloptichorn

0 Replies

@panzade,

I can't imagine McCain/Palin doing better either. I was hoping Obama would though. As for Osama and Ghaddafi... how has that raised the standard of living for Americans? It hasn't. Period. It won't . Period.

0 Replies

@blueveinedthrobber,

We have to pass this bill to see what's in it.

1 Reply

@Josef cv,

because after all our opinions ceased to be relevant a long time ago, so why should we expect to be shown what's in a bill until it's a fait accompli?

0 Replies

@blueveinedthrobber,

Talking about Rick Perry fixing all the deleterious crap inflicted on America by the liberals who got Obama into office just warms my soul.

Can't Describe My Disappointment

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know