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KID GETS WHAT HE DESERVED

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 11:53 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
be careful about the cars, dave.

it's a red herring of sorts...
A red herring means a DISTRACTION.
This topic is kids throwing rocks at CARs
and one of the victims shooting back at the perp
with a bolt from a crossbow, hitting him in the gut.

I do not see any distraction here, Rocky.
It is ON Topic.





David
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 09:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


FOR THE RECORD:
If, when I was a kid, I had been so injudicious
as to throw rocks at anyone, or at any cars,
and if, in consequence, I got shot in the gut with a bolt from a crossbow,
I 'd have admitted that justice was done.





David


That is because you are crazy. And here lies the flaw at the heart of your argument.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:29 am
@Gargamel,
Obviously, the kid's mistake was in bringing a rock to a crossbow fight.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 12:08 pm
Dave are you seriously advocating lethal punishment as the answer to all crime?
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 12:14 pm
@Ceili,
As it is with most things that flow from Om's mind, this one has been given very little thought.
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 01:07 pm
Is there a lawsuit in progress? Have you heard anything else other than a kid throwing rocks at cars, and what followed? I think kids do that to scare people. And it does scare people.

When that happened to me it was in Michigan it was an ice ball (hard snowball). The noise was unbelievable, hitting the window on the driver's (my) side. I pulled to the side of the road, calmed myself, then drove home happy nothing else happened. I wouldn't think of getting some kind of revenge and don't respond to kids who throw things at cars, or anybody in cars who harrass me when I've made a mistake.

You didn't say if the cross-bow shooter was in a car other than the one hit by rocks, or from another car. Who could just have this cross-bow thingy handy to hit somebody that quickly? Generally, don't you carry such a thing in the trunk?

I don't believe this story. Not enough details.
George
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 01:29 pm
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:
. . . Who could just have this cross-bow thingy handy to hit somebody
that quickly? Generally, don't you carry such a thing in the trunk? . . .

I can envision two scenarios:

A) You're a couple of gang-bangers up to no good.
B) You're Guy of Gisborn and the Sheriff of Nottingham delivering gold to
Prince John.

I'm gonna go with the former.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 01:47 pm
@George,
was Prince John in the hood that day?

I've never trusted anyone that pronounced guy as Gee...
George
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 01:50 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
was Prince John in the hood that day?

Yeah, robbin' the hood
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 01:58 pm
@George,
Could be you're a couple mafia creeps looking to nail some enemy, holding that deadly crossbow, aiming it at every car that passes. Then you see it, there's someone throwing grenades. "Shoot the bugger, quick! Get him before he gets us." Driving home, satisfied.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 02:00 pm
@Pemerson,
What planet did you post that from?
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George
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 02:00 pm
@Pemerson,
The crossbow was in the car. And if you're in Linda Vista you're not likely to
be Mafia. Linda Vista 13 and Linda Vista Crips are the heavy hitters, but
there's a number of others.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 02:56 pm
@George,
I envision:

"Hey, that kid just threw a rock at us!"
"Go around the block, and I'll teach him not to do that."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2011 11:38 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Dave are you seriously advocating lethal punishment as the answer to all crime?
No; I did not address the question of lethality,
but note that many people have been killed by thrown rocks.
Its not like throwing snowballs.
Note that the subject news article said that the perp's injuries
were not life threatening.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 08:35 am

FOR THE RECORD:
In posting this thread,
it was not my intention to assert
that capital punishment is the proper response
for (potentially) lethal rock throwing,
but rather it is to approve of SELF DEFENSE.

Some of u know that I'm kinda big on SELF DEFENSE (including defense of property).





David
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 08:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
So any child is within his rights to shoot David since David is advocating shooting them for doing childish things.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 10:16 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
So any child is within his rights to shoot David
since David is advocating shooting them for doing childish things.
U imply that homicide is among "childish things"
and that property damage (vandalism) is among "childish things"; from that: I dissent.
People (and animals) have been killed by thrown rocks (not just Goliath).
It was a popular hunting technique b4 better weapons were invented.

Your assertion takes the issue to a new level,
introducing a new element: vindictive ex post facto censorship.

No one has suggested revenge for advocacy (except Parados).
Note that because the victims of thrown rocks can be of any age,
children have no reason to take particular offense.

Note further, that I treat children with the same respect and courtesy as anyone else.





David
Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 11:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Dave, snowballs can and have killed people. I'd venture to say a crossbow is more deadly than the stones the boy was throwing. I'd also venture to say anyone willing to shoot an arrow at a living person, a human being, a child... from a moving vehicle, through the streets of a city, he was lucky he not only didn't kill the boy, but also didn't shoot an innocent. Regardless what the outcome was, a man shot a child for throwing a rock... at a car.
You don't believe in the law Dave. You believe in swift justice. Indiscriminate vengeance.
So what if the car got a dent. It's repairable. A life isn't replaceable. Car's don't need defense, they're cars Dave. A thing v.s a life. A boy's life. A boy who is made of snips and snails, and puppy dogs tails. And before you bring up your childhood, I've read your stories Dave. You had an odd life. One does not negate the other...
Most kids have a thing for rocks. They carry them home in their pockets, they pile them up and save a bunch in their drawers. And most kids throw a rock or two, they get yelled at, get the holy hell scared out of the them over the consequences of their rock throwing actions and they never throw another rock. It's an endless circle.

You have established that you think it's a-ok to meet out street justice for throwing a rock. Potential lethal punishment for a misdemeanor.. where do you draw the line?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 01:41 pm
@Ceili,
My daughter came accross this story the other night. Apparently the child in question was 16.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 02:04 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Dave, snowballs can and have killed people.
I find that hard to believe.



Ceili wrote:
I'd venture to say a crossbow is more deadly than the stones the boy was throwing.
I deny that; getting killed with a rock leaves u equally as dead as getting killed by a bolt.




Ceili wrote:
I'd also venture to say anyone willing to shoot an arrow at a living person, a human being, a child... from a moving vehicle,
through the streets of a city, he was lucky he not only didn't kill the boy, but also didn't shoot an innocent.
We can agree that when u avenge yourself,
u shoud be careful not to harm anyone who is innocent.






Ceili wrote:
Regardless what the outcome was, a man shot a child for throwing a rock... at a car.
Dare we hope that he has LEARNED to stop doing that??
I feel that MY cars r safer for the efforts of that good archer!




Ceili wrote:
You don't believe in the law Dave.
Yes; agreed; that depends on which law,
e.g., the 16th Amendment does NOT authorize discrimination,
yet citizens r penalized for financial success, at different rates.
I certainly do not believe in that. Laws provide that citizens below age 18 cannot vote. I don 't believe in that.
In violation of the Bill of Rights, US Constitution, some gun control laws have been enacted: I don 't believe in those laws,
but there r other laws in which I believe.





Ceili wrote:
You believe in swift justice.
Yes; "justice delayed is justice denied."


Ceili wrote:
Indiscriminate vengeance.
Well u shoud discriminate against the perpetrator
and in favor of everyone else.




Ceili wrote:
So what if the car got a dent. It's repairable.
Is the PERP going to pay for it??????
I don 't think he will.
Will U pay for it?? I doubt that.






Ceili wrote:
A life isn't replaceable.
Tuff luck for THE PERP.
All he had to do was leave other people's property alone,
the same way that he wants HIS property left alone.
Whatever the perp loses is his own fault
that he brought on himself.






Ceili wrote:
Car's don't need defense, they're cars Dave.
Their owners do.



Ceili wrote:
A thing v.s a life.
If he restrains himself
from throwing rocks, then he 'll have no problems.
I don't think that 's asking too much.





Ceili wrote:
A boy's life. A boy who is made of snips and snails, and puppy dogs tails.
And before you bring up your childhood, I've read your stories Dave. You had an odd life. One does not negate the other...
That gives him NO RIGHT to throw rocks at property nor at people.




Ceili wrote:
Most kids have a thing for rocks. They carry them home in their pockets,
they pile them up and save a bunch in their drawers.
In addition to collecting COINS, Guns, and Kaleidoscopes
I had and have a fairly decent collection of petrified wood.



Ceili wrote:
And most kids throw a rock or two,
OK, as long as u don't threaten any person nor property.



Ceili wrote:
they get yelled at, get the holy hell scared out of the them
over the consequences of their rock throwing actions and they never throw
another rock. It's an endless circle.
If the same thing had happened to ME,
as a kid (if I committed that offense) I 'd know that getting shot
in the gut with a bolt was what I brought on myself
and that I DESERVED it.
Accordingly: I respected people 's rights.


Ceili wrote:
You have established that you think it's a-ok to meet out street justice for throwing a rock.
Potential lethal punishment for a misdemeanor.. where do you draw the line?
on an Individual, case by case basis





David
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