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How do you call a Seal with a hole?

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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 03:39 am
@fansy,
Boomer gave you that word, eyelet.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 04:12 am
@fansy,

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Chinese speakers of English do not pay much attention to the difference between a seal and a stamp. I myself may say "I used my private seal for making a stamp impression on a painint."


This is what I was getting at. They are used almost interchangeably in English phrases too:
"seal of approval"
"official stamp"

But note, the actual seal, to make impression in wax, is of historical interest/ importance only. Whether we call it a seal or a stamp nowadays, the mark is made in ink by a stamp.

Look up the meaning of "seal"- it was originally used to mark the wax which sealed or closed a private document (such as a letter) shut. Some nobility/churchmen etc. made their unique imprint in the wax using an embossed finger-ring.
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fansy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:23 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Or can we call it (a seal with) a knob? knob of a seal?
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:30 am
It's just a decorative seal handle.

It can have a hole in it or not. I suspect the hole helps with the grasp, allowing the fingers hold it better.

I wonder WHY you asked about this particular "hole"?
fansy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 08:28 am
@PUNKEY,
That's because there is a specific Chinese word for this "hole", which means "nose" of the seal.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 09:11 am
@fansy,
But because there is no specific object, hanko, chop, seal, that is commonly used in English speaking countries, there is no need for words for such fine detail, Fansy. Words come into use for things that are important/have a use in language.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 09:24 am
As i've already pointed out, if there is such a word in English, it would be eyelet, as Boomer has told you.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 09:40 am
@Setanta,
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As i've already pointed out, if there is such a word in English, it would be eyelet,


Not necessarily 'would be eyelet', but it 'may/could be eyelet'.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 04:18 pm
@Setanta,

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if there is such a word in English, it would be eyelet


Eye, or loop, I would say.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 04:42 pm
@McTag,
You think your way, i'll think mine.
fansy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:25 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
eye•let n.
1.
a. A small hole or perforation, usually rimmed with metal, cord, fabric, or leather, used for fastening with a cord or hook.
b. A metal ring designed to reinforce such a hole; a grommet.
2. A small hole edged with embroidered stitches as part of a design.
3. A peephole.
4. A small eye.

Maybe "eyelet" should be the word I expect to use.
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 03:28 am
@fansy,

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Maybe "eyelet" should be the word I expect to use.


An eyelet is usually in fabric, clothing, leather, tarpaulin and things of that ilk, reinforced with a grommet which may be of metal but usually is not.

An eye is in bigger things- like tools, or stamps/ seals.

imho.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 10:59 am
@McTag,
I agree, though I doubt we'll ever know unless hankos come into style in the west.
fansy
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 10:47 pm
@JTT,
Even Golden (or Bronz) Chime Bells have such "eyes" (钮 niu) for hanging onto a frame.
http://arts.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/images/zimages/gold_bianzhong_chime_bells505af228a4930dfd25a3.jpg
Gold chime bells

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/413434288_8f65191dd4.jpg

Shaanxi History Museam
http://china.europalia-dev.be/IMG/jpg/6-9.jpg
Xuzhou-Museum: Set of bronze chime bells
Maybe these photos give you new ideas about the word which I want to get from you.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 04:43 am
@fansy,

Now you're talking! As things get bigger, eyelets become eyes.

Here's some lifting eyes.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1T4SUNA_enGB310GB310&q=lifting+eyes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1024&bih=556
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 04:57 am
@fansy,
On bells, those "eyes" are called 'crown'.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 07:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Maybe in German. Smile
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 08:05 am
Chop, or stamp, or stamp seal are all used by people who talk about such things (not that many do, because Westerners don't really use anything similar today, tho kings and lords used to use wax seals, and notaries and JPs use stamps which emboss a seal into legal paper). And I don't think there's any word for the hole, except "hole", or the others people have mentioned.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 08:30 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

Maybe in German. Smile


No, in German it would be 'Krone'. Very Happy


http://i52.tinypic.com/1zl3gb8.jpg
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