How can we be sure?

...but there are programs inside a program...how do you think the infinite is build ?...a relation does n´t have to be based on dualism for it to be a relation...

...But the non-dualistic experience of all phenomena is what I refer to as the prereflective stance of zen meditation. In that context even dualistic thoughts are perceived non-dualistically, as sensations. It is simultaneously (paradoxically?) transcendental and concrete.

we can be sure that H2O is water at room temp.

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments

for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

north wrote:

we can be sure that H2O is water at room temp.

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments

for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

Descartes seemed to believe that he couldn’t be sure of that. To a fish water is home and doesn’t quench thirst and should be inhaled. To a human it is not home and quenches thirst, and should not be inhaled. To an animal with rabies it is something to fear...etc also it’s not impossible for a rubber tree to be found in the Arctic at some point in time or for some special
reason...nothing is certain.

igm wrote:

north wrote:

we can be sure that H2O is water at room temp.

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments

for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

Descartes seemed to believe that he couldn’t be sure of that. To a fish water is home and doesn’t quench thirst and should be inhaled. To a human it is not home and quenches thirst, and should not be inhaled. To an animal with rabies it is something to fear...etc also it’s not impossible for a rubber tree to be found in the Arctic at some point in time or for some special
reason...nothing is certain.

at some point sure perhaps but right now , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic because the enviroment is not condusive for it to be there , hence we are SURE that the rubber tree is not to be found there

north wrote:

igm wrote:

north wrote:

we can be sure that H2O is water at room temp.

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments

for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

Descartes seemed to believe that he couldn’t be sure of that. To a fish water is home and doesn’t quench thirst and should be inhaled. To a human it is not home and quenches thirst, and should not be inhaled. To an animal with
rabies it is something to fear...etc also it’s not impossible for a rubber tree to be found in the Arctic at some point in time or for some special
reason...nothing is certain.

at some point sure perhaps but right now , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic because the enviroment is not condusive for it to be there , hence we are SURE that the rubber tree is not to be found there

I know what you're saying but we can control the environment with science and so it is possible there is a rubber tree there, unlikely but not impossible. We could genetically engineer the plant so that it survives or just put it in a research station to test some current theory. You can't be sure. I know you are basically saying we can be certain of some things but I’m not sure we can be. We just aren’t sure and carry on with life or some of us wonder why that is always the case.

Also how about the other points I made?

north wrote:

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments
for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

north wrote:

at some point sure perhaps but right now , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic because the enviroment is not condusive for it to be there , hence we are SURE that the rubber tree is not to be found there
there are NO trees in the Arctic at all guy let alone a rubber tree , this I know
and genetic enginering can only go so far

I can't get to your other points yet until we clear this above discuss up

north wrote:

north wrote:

we can be sure that certain plants survive better in certain enviroments
for instance , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic

north wrote:

at some point sure perhaps but right now , the rubber tree is not found in the Arctic because the enviroment is not condusive for it to be there , hence we are SURE that the rubber tree is not to be found there
there are NO trees in the Arctic at all guy let alone a rubber tree , this I know
and genetic enginering can only go so far


I can't get to your other points yet until we clear this above discuss up

If a scientist created a room in her lab with the right conditions to grow a rubber tree: the correct heat, light, moisture etc... and flew in a rubber tree it would grow there and you wouldn't know that it was there. It's perfectly feasible. If it was taken outside and planted in the ground it would be growing in the Arctic but it would die just like all rubber trees must die (it would probably not have such a long life) but who could be sure that it would be shorter in duration than any rubber tree’s life in its natural habitat ever in the history of rubber trees. How can we be sure?

You just need to come up with something that you can be sure of. Your examples so far have not fulfilled that criterion. I'd say you can't be sure of anything not even that you can't be sure of anything.

igm wrote:

You just need to come up with something that you can be sure of. Your examples so far have not fulfilled that criterion. I'd say you can't be sure of anything not even that you can't be sure of anything.

I have come up with something I can be sure of

there are NO trees in the Arctic

north wrote:

igm wrote:

You just need to come up with something that you can be sure of. Your examples so far have not fulfilled that criterion. I'd say you can't be sure of anything not even that you can't be sure of anything.

I have come up with something I can be sure of


there are NO trees in the Arctic

There is no reason that someone couldn't ship in trees and plant them there. If it's possible then it could be happening now (as part of a scientific experiment) you can't know for sure.