@steve reid,
Quote:_God, the bible and my understanding of it.I know of the two deaths, after the first death the deceased is aware of nothing, then when judgement by God comes if they are found wanting, they would not be resurrected (resurrected as in body, spirit or both, I don't know) _
Re: God, the bible and your lack of understanding of both.
To begin with, the mind and the spirit are one and the same. When the body in which you
[the mind] are being formed, dies,
[This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of
YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, etc.
Read Luke 16: 19-31. Take special note of verses 29 to 31; “Abraham said, ‘Your brothers have Moses and the prophets to warn them; your brothers should listen to what they say.’ The rich man answered, ‘That is not enough, father Abraham! But if someone were to rise from death and go to them, then they would turn from their sins.’ But Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone were to rise from death.’ ”
Isaiah 57: 1-2; Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can hurt them. 2Those who live good lives find peace and rest in death.
I wonder what state awaits the unrepentant wicked when they die as they await the great day of Judgement?
Quote:I believe I die once and that is the end of/for me as a living being, and this doesn't trouble me. As I don't have faith I don't believe in a soul or spirit.
And you are free to believe whatsoever you choose to believe according to your own free will, which belief is totally opposed to mine.
This body that you see It isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit, I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
‘Who I Am’ until the day I’m finally born
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the earth from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To carry on in life’s eternal game.
If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “
YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, etc.
Quote:.... I was confused by the fire, brimstone and everlasting torment, this is not what I would expect from a loving God
How can there be everlasting torment for the unrepentant wicked if they die the second death which is that of the MIND=SPIRIT.
Quote:If I (my body) or my soul, spirit or mind is given "The eternal punishment. Everlasting oblivion", of being dead and of no way to return then surely, I won't be aware of such?
Correct! Once “
YOU” the mind have been separated from the immortal soul, you will be aware of nothing. The God given soul will then be given a new body in which to develop a new spirit in a more righteous society.
After having ceased to exist, the rejected will be aware of nothing, it is before the second death, when they realise, NOT what is going to happen to them, but what they have missed out on, that the weeping and gnashing of teeth will be heard among the unrepentant wicked.
steve
