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Why should rich people pay a greater share of their wealth to taxes?

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 02:42 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Tax everyone at the same rate and eliminate all of the deductions currently out there.

That would solve the problem.


Uh, no it wouldn't. Flat taxes are tremendously regressive.

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 03:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
mysteryman wrote:
Tax everyone at the same rate and eliminate all of the deductions currently out there.

That would solve the problem.
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Uh, no it wouldn't. Flat taxes are tremendously regressive.

Cycloptichorn
That 's OK; no problem with that.
Let the poor pay their OWN way.
I don t wanna subsidize them.
Government was not created to do that,
nor was it ever granted jurisdiction to do that.
It can only do so by USURPATION of the same authority as a schoolyard bully.





David
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:23 am
@Josef cv,
Somehow giving five hundred millions of taxpayer’s dollars to one billionaire to build a sport stadium is far worst however that type of transfer of wealth is fine with the GOP.
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:54 am
@BillRM,
That should be a crime on the part of whichever or whatever person or agency allowed it to come about, and punished by substantial time in prison. I no more advocate theft by government to benefit wealthy individuals than I do robbery by government to benefit lazy scum who work the system for their livings.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 11:04 am
@Josef cv,
Most of your lazy scum are hard working men and women who the society had allow to have less and less of the total wealth of the nation in favor of a ever smaller group of the super rich.

All the welfare "queens" yearly incomes in the whole country can not match the daily ripped off of the super wealthy.

We take incomes and benefits from such scum as teachers and firefighters and police officers so we can give even more breaks to the super wealthy class.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 11:12 am
@Josef cv,
Just for the record: do you yourself receive Medicaid, Social Security, or any form of disability payments from the government?

It's been my long experience that louder an asshole is about people 'thieving' from the government, the more likely they are to be receiving some sort of benefits themselves.

Cycloptichorn
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 12:04 pm
@Josef cv,
Quote:
it belongs to those who have worked to earn it.


Working hard to earn it?

You mean working hard to picked out the right lobbying firm to lobby congress for all the special tax breaks and others benefits you can get written into the bills that get passed by congress?

Yes business owners are great at creating jobs and yet with the most wealth in the history of the nation in their hands those business owners are not creating too many jobs for the scum such as in my case engineers.

Once more all the welfare queens together would be hard press to match one billionaire who score a 500 million dollars windfall from the local taxpayers.

Oh for the record all the polls showed beforehand that the citizens was strongly against this windfall and some citizens even took the county to court in order to try to block this ripped off and yet is went though and the only thing the citizens could do after the fact was to have recall elections where the mayor and one of the commissioner was overwhelmingly kick out of office.

Yet the money is gone from the scum IE working class pockets and into the billionaire pocket.


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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 12:10 pm
@Josef cv,
Oh GE earned 15 billions in profit in 2010 and paid zero in taxes and somehow even got a check from the treasury for 2 billions or so.

How many welfare queens would it take to equal that ripped off my friend?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 01:06 pm
@Josef cv,
You know you would be a great and ideal member of an audience for a magician as you seem more then willing to look only in the direction that the magician would wish you to look in.

You are center on a small population that is cheating the system at the low end of millions or even hundreds of millions and could care less as untold billions/trillions are being ripped off by the other end of the society.

We are all being turn into economic peasants for the benefit of a very small fraction of the population with less and less of the total wealth in our hands and yet all you care about are welfare queens!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 06:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:
Why should rich people pay a greater share of their wealth to taxes?
Regardless of whether a citizen is rich or poor,
he shoud NOT pay any taxes on income
beyond his first $million of income.





David
Why the limits??? Can you prove some benefit to rich people being rich... Rich people make a poor country and a poor world... We have more rich people than ever and more poor people than ever and the government broke too, admittedly because it could not and would not tax the rich, or make good its purpose in achieving the goals for which it was established...

We do not need rich people, and people who are talented and inventive should be under pressure to remain talented and inventive; that is: They can have their wealth above the mean so long as they continue to contribute to society... It was not alone the constitution that gave wealth greater protection and representation in government... Many colonial governments also gave political power to the wealthy; but we see now that policy and those principals brought to their final conclusion which is the ruin and slavery of the people... We could not be made slaves without being also demoralized... When each of us looks only to our own welfare, and lets the devil take the hindmost we have no longer a claim to make on the commonwealth... We are all the slaves of a few masters, and the commonwealth is no more...
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 06:33 am
@Old Goat,
Old Goat wrote:

So someone earning $10m ends up paying less of a % proportion of his earnings than someone who only earns $100k?

Sounds fair.....

Up the rich!
Hang them high...
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 06:57 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

Thomas wrote:
I did, on the implicit assumption that the thieves' efforts were the major cost to account for. I'm quite happy to modify this assumption. Especially since I still believe you are raising fringe cases that don't happen enough to influence our general policies towards theft.


Honestly, I am not making an economic point about it. My position is that humans have evolved a need for the concept of personal property, and a need for personal space (of some size) and that violating it is itself objectionable, regardless of the value of the object, the effort involved in doing so etc.

The fringe examples were just to isolate whether you really felt that way, as I found it surprising.
I am certain that the crowded and isolated conditions of primitive peoples contributed a great deal to the bloodlust; and that their anxieties, frustrations, envy and avarice were turned against enemies so that it was no visited upon ones own community... It is certain that the obligations to community while essential and moral were also onerous... Given the opportunity, many people have often escaped their honorable responsibility... What people have always evolved with, and survived with, while difficult and demanding is society and community in one sort or another out of the need of survival... Some people are taking what they feel is their own survival out of the backs of their neighbors, and their own community, and only moral restraints at this point hold the people back from justice... The rich, counting on the form of law, and the form of morality to hold people back from bloody justice are destroying all of society and every community and burning through the resources of all of us because Capitalism and protestantism as ideologies justify their actions...Neither of these ideals is fit for consideration since each having no long term vision of mankind or time are unfit ideas to govern by... We may all desire are own, but for most of time known to social humans, defense of property was common, and all property was held in commonwealth... Look at the symbols of our country taken from the Roman commonwealth... The bundle of iron rods surrounding an axe was a symbol of united strength against the slaves of Rome which was her past enemies... Why they did not show a single rod is obvious... The single rod was easily bent, as the individual man was easily slain, or ruined... Nothing has so failed humanity as the notion of individualism... We want our own, and we support the aims of the rich who want their own; but what we want for all is the end of society which is to each their own protection... We want to be free of our obligation to society, to our communiites, or to define our communities as our immediate families so our obligation is meaningless... And this attitude which is the mental destruction of community brings about the physical destruction of community... We cannot hold our own against a world that wants what we have while so many see their own benefit in selling us and ours to enemies cheap...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 07:06 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Most of your lazy scum

voted for Obama
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 07:08 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Tax everyone at the same rate and eliminate all of the deductions currently out there.

That would solve the problem.
No... The object of having the commonwealth is private hands is the good of the people... That is the argument for capitalism that people seeking their private gain provide a public good, and to some extent, that notion is true; but at a terrible cost and with diminsihing benefits... The commonwealth in private hands must still support the state, and in our case that means fifty states and the federal state... It does not matter how few hands hold the wealth of a nation, because if it were all in a single hand it would still have to support the population... Take the idea of capitalism to its ultimate extreme and you have madness... Exactly as happened in the Roman Empire; a handful will own all, and the poor who are no more than slaves will find no advantage in dying for the property of the rich... For this nation to have meaning we must all own some of it... Mega farms or factory farms like factories themselves cannot all be left in the hands of the few where they are only an injury to us, and a danger... Taxes force wealth to be productive or causes it to trickle back to its rightful owners: The People...
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