Don't start whining about attacks and diversions--you're the one who put that "thoughtless" **** into the discussion. This is what you originally wrote:
Do you think the CIA (or some other govt/intelligence agency, historical or otherwise) have never run a coup where they've not been caught?
Now you're attempting to make a quibble between not getting caught and no one knowing. If they hadn't gotten caught, how would anyone have known?
Much better, but this is a failure in logic on a couple of fronts :
- You can not get caught at an event and still be a suspect - police often face this problem, being unable to charge someone they strongly suspect of committing a crime (when not enough evidence)...suspecting them either because of motive, present ability, or surrounding circumstances, or a combination of any.
- You say conspiracy theories are about conspiracies that are alleged (ie the conspirators either don't exist, or are suspected but haven't been caught
), yet say if they haven't been caught there can't be a conspiracy theory.
There is also a failure of comprehension, though no doubt some of that is to do with the a lack of initial clarity on my part of the point I was making.
- In the event itself, in the case of my example that you quoted - a coup - this requires a conspiracy. I brought in up in relation to an example I gave of the CIA coup in Iran...which was opennly known to have been run by the CIA, and comments subsequently made about that. The point of the quoted example was tied to that previous example - and I have repeatedly mentioned that my examples were to do with where the line exists between conspiracy and conspiracy theory...which should give you some clue as to the context and intent of the paragraph. It was to point out that it's very unlikely that all coups have been 'opennly known' to have been run by 'this organisation' or 'that organisation'...yet that would not stop conspiracy theories about those coups.
As a last note - your perception that I whine about attempts at diversion is rather your own issue. That you attempt to divert is pure statement. Would you like me to provide quoted examples?