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DEMOCRATIC SENATOR OPPOSES UN TREATY

 
 
Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2011 06:04 pm
July 28, 2011

Sen. Manchin tells President Obama,
Hillary Clinton ‘leave our guns alone’


By Mannix Porterfield
Register-Herald Reporter The Register-Herald Thu Jul 28, 2011, 12:02 AM EDT

For several months now, 2nd Amendment rights groups have flooded
the e-mail accounts of media outlets with dire warnings that the Obama
administration is bent on disarming American citizens with an international
arms treaty at the United Nations.

Now, the matter is not mere talk on blog sites but an issue on Capitol Hill.

Freshman Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., himself a gun owner and
veteran hunter, added his voice to such fears Wednesday with a
strongly worded letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton.

Any arms treaty at the U.N. can in no way “regulate the domestic
manufacture, possession, or sales of firearms or ammunition” in this country,
Manchin declared in a letter signed by several of his colleagues.

“I am a proud gun owner and, like all West Virginians, I strongly believe
in the 2nd Amendment,” Manchin said.

“Our great country is great because of our freedoms, like the 2nd Amendment,
and America should never sign agreements that infringe on our
cherished constitutional rights and freedoms. I strongly urge the
president and the administration not to use this arms trade treaty as
a back-door route to infringe on the freedoms of law-abiding
Americans and our 2nd Amendment rights.”

At the National Rifle Association headquarters, spokesperson Rachel Parsons
said the treaty, proposed two years ago, is up for a vote in 2013 but
emphasized that any treaty must be ratified by two-thirds of the Senate,
and more than half are on record in opposition if it conflicts with
the constitutional rights of Americans.

“It’s only a dead issue if civilian ownership is included in the treaty,”
Ms. Parsons told The Register-Herald.

“If it leaves out the civilian portion, that takes it out of our hands.”

As written, however, she said the U.N. treaty calls for “the highest
possible standards of control.”

“We want to make sure that language is taken out,” she said.
“It also says for the firearms treaty to work, it would also apply to
states within a country. That would make this treaty trump our Constitution.”

Manchin’s press secretary, Marnie Goldberg, said the treaty actually
is in the preparatory stages, and no language has been released.

“So the letter signed by the senator is asking the secretary of state
to keep these concerns in mind as the U.S. is negotiating the deals
of the treaty at the U.N.,” she added.

Manchin is no Johnny-come-lately to the firearms world, having hunted
all his adult life and winning the NRA endorsement in each step
of his political career.

Last year, in his campaign for the U.S. Senate, one of his more
memorable television ads featured him taking aim with a scope-
mounted rifle at a copy of the cap-and-trade bill, tacked to a tree.

Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA, said his group for two decades
has fought any proposed U.N. treaty that would weaken the rights of gun owners.

“This effort sends a clear message to the international bureaucrats
who want to eliminate our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms.
Clearly, a U.N. arms trade treaty that includes civilian arms within its scope
is not supported by the American people or a bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate.”

In the letter, Manchin and other senators told Obama and Clinton that,
in any treaty, nations must retain the right to regulate arms themselves,
and this point is “non-negotiable.”

Moreover, the letter, led by Sen. John Tester, D-Mont., says that small arms,
light weapons, ammo, or related materials that would make such a
treaty too broad cannot be included.

Manchin said any treaty involving the United States cannot create
any type of international gun registry that would “impede the
privacy rights of law-abiding gun owners.”


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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2011 08:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
“Our great country is great ...


puke puke puke
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 02:23 am
@JTT,
Get well soon.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 08:53 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Too much of that puke inducing crap spewed on a constant basis, Dave. It's no different than the constant production of sewage.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 06:56 pm
@JTT,
That 's a horrible way to express yourself, J; uncivilized.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 01:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The horrible stuff, Dave, is the constant stream of bragging that comes out of the mouth of virtually every politician - "this great country"; "dog bless the USA"; ... .

It's truly sickening.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 05:56 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
The horrible stuff, Dave, is the constant stream of bragging that comes out of the mouth of virtually every politician - "this great country"; "dog bless the USA"; ... .

It's truly sickening.
Then don 't read it.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 10:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Better yet, stop it. It's exceedingly juvenile, totally unbecoming adults.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 2 Aug, 2011 10:31 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Better yet, stop it. It's exceedingly juvenile, totally unbecoming adults.
Yes, well effectively,
we HAVE stopped it by refusal to ratify it in the Senate.

Thus, it is dead on arrival in the US Senate.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2011 11:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
That would be nice, grand actually, Dave, if the childish American bragaddacio ceased forever.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2011 05:16 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
That would be nice, grand actually, Dave,
if the childish American bragaddacio ceased forever.
I guess that 's OK,
so long as we have first defeated gun control,
as we HAVE in this instance.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 09:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I note, with some small measure of joy, that even you think the bragging is childish and unnecessary, Dave.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 01:25 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I note, with some small measure of joy,
that even you think the bragging is childish and unnecessary, Dave.
My point is that tangible success
(in this case: the defeat of gun control) is more important
than assertions of intention set forth in abstract theory.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 01:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I support your right to blow off various body parts.

Quote:

Man accidentally shoots himself in crotch while putting gun in waistband

CHANDLER, Ariz. - A suburban Phoenix man is recovering after police say he accidentally shot himself in the penis while putting his girlfriend's gun in the waistband of his pants.
Chandler police say 27-year-old Joshua Seto and his fiancee, Cara Christopher, were walking toward a grocery store when the shooting happened last week. The gun fired, striking Seto's penis and continuing through his left thigh.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-accidentally-shoots-himself-crotch-while-putting-gun-144826658.html
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2011 02:20 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I support your right to blow off various body parts.

Thank u, J; that 's good of u.
Reciprocally, I support your right to do so.





Quote:
Man accidentally shoots himself in crotch while putting gun in waistband

CHANDLER, Ariz. - A suburban Phoenix man is recovering after police say he accidentally shot himself in the penis while putting his girlfriend's gun in the waistband of his pants.
Chandler police say 27-year-old Joshua Seto and his fiancee, Cara Christopher, were walking toward a grocery store when the shooting happened last week. The gun fired, striking Seto's penis and continuing through his left thigh.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-accidentally-shoots-himself-crotch-while-putting-gun-144826658.html
Yes; by co-incidence,
I was discussing the follies of carrying a gun Mexican,
with a friend a few days ago, to wit:
I saw a TV show, a series, called A Band of Brothers
about the true story of Easy Company in the invasion of Germany in 1944.

A German officer on horseback ran into an American patrol.
He turned his horse around to return to his own lines.
An American infantryman took him out with his Garand
and he took a German Luger, as a prize from the corpse.

Carrying a gun Mexican is risky for the reason that u have quoted.

The American soldier failed to take the holster for the Luger
and he foolishly carried it Mexican, discharging it
and fatally clipping his femoral artery;
life expectancy of a minute or 2 before exsanguination.

Carrying a gun Mexican was his last mistake.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2011 02:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Thank u, J; that 's good of u.


You seem to have started with a substantial portion of your brain. That's too bad but at least it explains a lot.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2011 02:41 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Thank u, J; that 's good of u.
JTT wrote:
You seem to have started with a substantial portion of your brain. That's too bad but at least it explains a lot.
That comment is off-topic, J.
This thread is not about my brain,
nor about your incompetent diagnoses thereof.

This thread is about the defeat of gun control in the US Senate.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2011 02:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You're such a fuckin' hypocrite, Dave. Look at your Post #4,697,027 and then maybe we can talk about "off topic".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2011 02:53 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
You're such a fuckin' hypocrite, Dave.
Rong 2ice, J,
qua both the ******* and the hypocrisy.



JTT wrote:
Look at your Post #4,697,027 and then maybe we can talk about "off topic".
What about it?
I was responding to U.
That was nice of me.





David
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