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The Fantasy Fantasy A2K NFL Pick-Um Thread for 2011-2012

 
 
George
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2011 07:06 pm
San Diego
Tennessee
Washington
Denver
Cleveland
Detroit
Tampa Bay
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Green Bay
Dallas
New Orleans

Baltimore (24-21)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 03:52 am
@fbaezer,
Quote:
Didn't I go 11-2?
Did Miami win?
no, miami lost 24-6...
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 04:21 am
@Region Philbis,
I think Fbaezer picked NYJets, though.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 04:48 am
@Region Philbis,
The main problem with this game is that it rewards a player picking a hot favourite that wins to the same extent as one picking a no-hoper that wins.

If we were at a racetrack it is possible that those at the bottom of the ratings would come away with more $$$$$s than those at the top. Had one of us chosen the Buccs over the Saints they would surely have been entitled to more points than those who chose the Packers over the Rams.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 05:07 am
@realjohnboy,

WEEK VII

San Diego
Tennessee
Washington
Denver
Cleveland
Detroit
Tampa Bay
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Green Bay
Dallas
New Orleans
Baltimore (27-10)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 08:23 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
The main problem with this game is that it rewards a player picking a hot favourite that wins to the same extent as one picking a no-hoper that wins.

If we were at a racetrack it is possible that those at the bottom of the ratings would come away with more $$$$$s than those at the top. Had one of us chosen the Buccs over the Saints they would surely have been entitled to more points than those who chose the Packers over the Rams.

The game rewards a player picking the winning team. Why would there need to be extra points awarded for picking an underdog? Just pick the winner, and if that happens to be an underdog, so be it.
George
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 08:42 am
For spendius's concerns to be addressed, I think we'd need a new game
that required picking against the spread. And maybe throw the over/under
in as a tie-breaker.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 10:05 am
@Ticomaya,
I don't think you understood what I meant Tico. I'll explain with an example.

In the horseracing press here there is an annual competition between all the leading racing correspondents. Each day these experts give what is called the "nap". Their star choice for that day's racing.

Any correspondent who naps odds on chances all the time never wins.
He probably has more winners than anybody else at the season's end but £1 bet on all his selections loses money. A considerable amount.

On an old table I happen to have to hand a Doug Moscrop of the Newcastle Journal is in No 1 spot, as I have been, you will remember, twice running from two attempts in this game and, in the tradition of the famous Gimcrack Stakes, a 2-year old race run at York in August over six furlongs, I am entitled to make speeches as the owner of the winner of the Gimcrack is at an annual dinner in memory of the famous horse from which the race derives its name which was a favourite with the public in the 18th century much as Red Rum was until it carked it a few years back.

Be that as it may Tico, in Mr Moscrop's selections he has napped 1 more loser than winners ( slightly minus of .500 on rjb's reckoning and well out of contention for my title) and £1 bet on all his selections shows a profit of £62.04 which is excellent for those who follow him and bet in larger amounts than £1, a size of bet not a one of them would ever be caught entering in to unless when playing monopoly with their nieces on Christmas Day when there is no racing.

On the other hand Kevin Walsh of the Irish Post has napped 1 more winner than losers and £1 bet on his selections is losing £32.51 and so also the Blackpool Gazette's correspondent, Steve Simpson, has napped one more winner than losers and bets on his selections are losing £39.75. Which are as bad for their followers as the exellence is for the followers of Mr Moscrop.

On your reckoning Tico both Mr Walsh and Mr Simpson are slightly plus of .500 and stand higher in your estimation than Mr Moscrop. Which shows that you are more a pedant than a betting man and your position as a defensive half-back is likely appropriate.

I do realise that the process I am suggesting, and the tradition is that the owner of the Gimcrack winner uses his speech to suggest improvements in horse racing, might put Jespah and osso and ed and your goodself up the table considerably and demote myself and other experts. And it would, of course, be more difficult for Johnny to administer and adjudicate on.

With 22 players there could be 22 points per game. If a split on the game is 11-11 then those who picked correctly share the 11 points of those who didn't. 1 point each and the others -1 point. If we split 18-4 and the former are correct the 18 share the 4 points which is .2222rec each or .222 for easier reckoning with the same amount being deducted from the 4 incorrect picker's running total. If the 4 choose correctly they share the 18 points, 4.5 points each.

I am not penalising choosers of the good things. I am merely putting them in their rightful place and as a two-times winner I am entitled to howl more than anybody but, as you might have suspected by now, I don't do subjectivity.

Think of the player who might have chosen the Buccs in a 21-1 split and his or her general demenour on watching Mr Brees throw that pass to the other side of the endzone from that side where the receiver stood out like an animated scarecrow in a field covered in snow. And as we play this game it mattered not a jot.

I submit the above for the consideration of members here and look forward to their comments which should not, under any circumstances, be influenced by pity for rjb.
fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 11:22 am
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:

Atlanta
Philadelphia
Green Bay
Detroit
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
NY Giants
Oakland
Baltimore
New Orleans
New England
Chicago
NY Jets (21-17)


Was this 11-2 or 10-3?
Just askin'. RJB said I was 10-2 before Monday Night.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 11:46 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
On an old table I happen to have to hand a Doug Moscrop of the Newcastle Journal is in No 1 spot, as I have been, you will remember, twice running from two attempts in this game and, in the tradition of the famous Gimcrack Stakes, a 2-year old race run at York in August over six furlongs, I am entitled to make speeches as the owner of the winner of the Gimcrack is at an annual dinner in memory of the famous horse from which the race derives its name which was a favourite with the public in the 18th century much as Red Rum was until it carked it a few years back.

Reading that makes me want to take a nap.

I think you should start a new thread, Spendi, all about your napping game and chock full of run-on sentences.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 12:16 pm
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:


Was this 11-2 or 10-3?
Just askin'. RJB said I was 10-2 before Monday Night.

You are indeed right! My apologies, again. I have redone my scorecard in an effort to keep my eyes from straying from the correct columns. Adjusting your season to date numbers from 59-29 to 60-30, you are not in the gang in 10th place. Instead you join Osso, Spendius and Wandeljw in 7th.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 12:17 pm
@spendius,
In your game, spendius, are the submissions made privately or publicly?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 12:27 pm
@fbaezer,
I counted eleven for you, Fb.


Sigh, many dilemmas re this next week.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 12:40 pm
@George,
Quote:
In your game, spendius, are the submissions made privately or publicly?


Publicly, as they are in the tote display of the odds at the track.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:02 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
Reading that makes me want to take a nap.


With an attitude like that how did you manage to learn to read and write? If you can't do or appreciate run-on sentences perhaps you didn't really.

That is what I'm up against in the pub when I try to interest the topers in your version of football.

Actually, I was only trying to enliven proceedings during the lacuna that exists in between game days. I can well see that it would be too big of a problem for a busy man like rjb. Using the spreads would be worse.

I remember farmerman making a similar point a while ago but he hates run-on sentences too so he was incomprehensible to most of us. And he offered no alternative which is a trick he has used for years on the evolution threads.

Could you suggest a more efficient method of making a complex point to those unfamiliar with picking winners. Your alternative is not to make the point. So you are crabbing me but with no idea what you would have done in place of how I chose to do it. A win/win situation as long as you have a stupid audience. And an easy habit to fall into when habituated to stupid audiences.

I can even do snotty better than you.
George
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 02:26 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
. . . Publicly, as they are in the tote display of the odds at the track.

Good analogy.
That might work.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 02:29 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
. . . I can well see that it would be too big of a problem for a busy man like
rjb. Using the spreads would be worse. . .

Easy fix. You do it.

And using the spreads would not be worse at all. Instead of getting the
point if the Jets won, you'd get the point only if they also covered the
spread. Instead of losing the point if the Dolphins lost, you'd only lose if
the Jets covered the spread. Simple.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 02:29 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Reading that makes me want to take a nap.


With an attitude like that how did you manage to learn to read and write? If you can't do or appreciate run-on sentences perhaps you didn't really.

I appreciate a good run-on sentence as much as the next guy. However, that was not a good run-on sentence. Weak effort, frankly. 115 words and 6 commas -- that's a comma every 19 words. I know you can do better than that.

Quote:
That is what I'm up against in the pub when I try to interest the topers in your version of football.

What are you up against? Disinterest? I'm sure that true.

Quote:
Could you suggest a more efficient method of making a complex point to those unfamiliar with picking winners.

Yes ... write intelligibly and coherently.

Quote:
Your alternative is not to make the point.

No, my alternative would be to write intelligibly and coherently.

Quote:
So you are crabbing me but with no idea what you would have done in place of how I chose to do it.

No, as I said, I would have tried writing intelligibly and coherently.

Quote:
I can even do snotty better than you.

Without question.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 03:14 pm
@George,
That would work George like a handicap. When rjb puts the fixtures up he gives one team a number of points start. If the Dolphins get 8 points start and lose by 7 they win the game for our purposes. But we would get some ties. Which only requires 1/2 points to solve. It would be fairly easy for John. That most of us wouldn't know who had won some games is of no consequence.

But the person who picked the Buccs to beat the Saints wouldn't get a full reward.
George
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 03:26 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
. . . But the person who picked the Buccs to beat the Saints wouldn't
get a full reward.
Life can be hard.
 

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