Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 12:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Without the Ritilin? That's a good one.

Here's a hint for ya. If private industry won't invest in it, why should the govt? There are enough liberal/progressive/green energy investors out there who should be more than happy to make investments in this industry. The fact that they don't, should tell you something.

Does the US govt write a check to big oil? Or do they just get tax breaks that all the other businesses get as well?

Solyndra wasn't the only clean energy company to receive federal dollars and then fail. There have been several and the money in most of those cases is gone.

From CNN: http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/

Quote:
A123: The battery maker received a $249 million Department of Energy stimulus grant to build two factories in Michigan to manufacture batteries for electric cars.
The company drew down $132 million of that grant, and the factories are up and running, according to the DOE.
As part of A123's bankruptcy announced earlier this week, the factories were sold to Johnson Controls (JCI), which is expected to keep them open. Since the investment was a grant, the government got no money back. It's unclear whether Johnson will be eligible to draw down the remaining grant funds.
Abound Solar: The manufacturer of thin-film solar panels received a $400 million DOE stimulus loan guarantee to build two factories -- one outside Kokomo, Indiana and another outside of Denver.
Abound drew down $70 million of the grant to build the Denver factory. Abound declared bankruptcy in June amid strong competition and the collapsing price of solar panels.
Its assets are being auctioned off, and DOE is expected to lose to $40 to $60 million on the deal.
Beacon Power: The company received a $43 million DOE stimulus loan guarantee to build a facility in upstate New York that uses flywheels to store extra energy from the power grid, and then release it when needed. Such technology is seen as essential to integrate wind and solar into the grid, as those sources don't produce energy 24/7.
The company spent $39 million to build the project, which consists of wheels inside vacuum tubes that can spin at near perpetual motion. Beacon went bankrupt amid low prices for natural gas, which can be burned to produce electricity.
The flywheel plant was sold to a competitor, and DOE is slated to receive at least $27 million in the deal.
Ener1: A subsidiary of the company, EnerDel, received an $118.5 million grant to build two plants outside Indianapolis to manufacture batteries for electric cars and other uses.
Ener1 declared bankruptcy in January, and the company was bought by a Russian investor. The plants in Indianapolis continue to make batteries.
Solyndra: The manufacturer of advanced solar panels received a $535 million loan guarantee to build a factory outside of San Francisco.
Solyndra went bankrupt in 2011 amid falling prices for solar panels, and has since served as the poster child for well-meaning government policy gone bad.
Its assets are being auctioned off, and DOE is not expected to recover any meaningful amount of money.
parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 01:28 pm
@Baldimo,
What is your point Baldimo?

The government has been giving private industries money and help for well over a century.
Private industries sometimes fail.
Companies that the government gave money or help to sometimes fail.

Not much new there other than you only want to make an issue of it based on the type of companies and the person in the WH.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 01:48 pm
@parados,
It wasn't my point, it was Bob's. I was just answering his questions about the stimulus and wasted money.

My complainants have nothing to do with the man, it's his party.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 02:34 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

It wasn't my point, it was Bob's. I was just answering his questions about the stimulus and wasted money.

My complainants have nothing to do with the man, it's his party.


Both parties have had good presidents and bad presidents. Both have had presidents who have made mistakes...and under both parties the country has prospered and suffered.

But if one were to take a look at the overall situation...it seems impossible to me to be able to support the Republican Party at this time, because it is home to American conservatives...and American conservatives are one of the most disgusting political blights ever to infect any country at any time in history. (Not necessarily the most disgusting political blight...but certainly one of the most.)
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 02:41 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
So says the admitted socialist. He doesn't want democracy, he wants total and utter govt control of all systems.
parados
 
  4  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 02:46 pm
@Baldimo,
You were asking questions.

Quote:
Here's a hint for ya. If private industry won't invest in it, why should the govt? There are enough liberal/progressive/green energy investors out there who should be more than happy to make investments in this industry. The fact that they don't, should tell you something.

Does the US govt write a check to big oil? Or do they just get tax breaks that all the other businesses get as well?

Setting a standard of government shouldn't invest in anything private industry won't means we wouldn't have gone to war in WW1 or WW2. It means we wouldn't have the interstate system. We wouldn't have food safety standards. For that matter we wouldn't have rescued any banks and would now be in a huge depression since private industry wasn't about to step in in 2008.

When it comes to big oil, the US govt writes checks to big oil and gives them tax breaks that other industries don't get. That comes on top of protecting their overseas interests doing things that private industry wouldn't invest in.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:09 pm
@parados,
You need to read higher in the thread because I was answering his question.

You should understand that I was referring to business investment. The FDA is a business investment?

If we didn't do the bailouts we would still be in trouble? You sure about that? Talk to Iceland about that one, they let the banks fail and their economy has recovered just fine.
parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:14 pm
@Baldimo,
I didn't realize Iceland was the largest economy in the world with the monetary unit most desired around the world. When pray tell did that happen?
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:29 pm
@parados,
Everything else the EU does seems to be ok with left. You guys want the US to become the EU and do everything how they do everything. Why would this have been any different?
parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:31 pm
@Baldimo,
What does Iceland have to do with the EU?
parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:39 pm
@Baldimo,
It appears that Iceland's GDP in 2014 was only 70% of it's 2008 GDP. That isn't what I would call a great recovery.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/iceland/gdp
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:40 pm
@parados,
Nick picking again Parados. Lame.
parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 04:29 pm
@Baldimo,
I was wondering why you were trying to change the subject to something that has nothing to do with Iceland. That is hardly nick[sic] picking. (I suppose it's nitpicking to say the correct word you wanted to misuse is nitpicking.)
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:01 pm
@parados,
I was in Iceland recently, like on Sept 14, and got to know Reykjavik pretty well by walking. That's what I enjoy doing to get an idea how people of different countries live; their lifestyles and standard of living. From my personal observation, their economy seems to be thriving well enough by the amount of people visiting their tourist destinations both in and out of their main port, Reykjavik. It's a relatively clean city with most building in good repair.
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/Tak_Nomura/2014-09-14044_zpse6378fd1.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:02 pm
@coldjoint,
Oh, so they don't support Teabilly politics and politicians. Is that your belief?
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There's soooooooooo many examples of waste they point only at Solyndra, which wasn't a waste.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:07 pm
@Baldimo,
Blather. You can't supply an example no matter how you tip toe around it. Solyndra was certainly shovel ready.

So, once again, name a nonshovel ready program the US taxpayers lost their shirts on. Besides defense programs.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:09 pm
@Baldimo,
Shouldn't you at least identify the program you claim I can't defend. Calm down.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:11 pm
@Baldimo,
How is giving a tax break that yields $17 Billion in cash not the same as writing a check??????

Are you drinking?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 1 Oct, 2014 06:15 pm
@parados,
There's a huge problem with corporate taxation in this country that makes investments in foreign countries more attractive. That's the reason many of the successful high tech companies offshore their factories and offices to create tax shelters that saves them billions in taxation. On the other side of the coin are the subsidies given to corporations that really don't need them for economic reasons, because most are highly profitable companies.

It's a mess our own government has created out of not understanding fundamental rules of capitalism.

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