On Voting Republicans Out Of Office

@Moment-in-Time,

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have seen massive growth in their non-white communities over the past few years, and are on track to become “majority-minority” in the next decade or so."

And these people are too stupid to get a photo ID? You might as well say that as opposed to any other excuse.

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@Moment-in-Time,

The minute people start saying voter suppression I call BS. Poor people come in all colors and voting blocks. Do you not think there are poor GOP voters? Only poor people vote for the Dem's?

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@Baldimo,

A minority doesn't prove a point? Geez.. maybe you should apply that to any argument about fraud.

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I need an ID to do all of those things. Federal law says you have to have an ID to open a back account.

No, it doesn't say that at all. It only says the bank can implement a program of its choosing to make sure the person is who they say they are.
The bank is only required to take name, address, date of birth, and SS# if US citizen. In most cases the bank will run a financial check using the SS#. But there is NO requirement that a picture ID be presented in Federal law.
http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/8000-1600.html

The majority of voters are over 40 so your alcohol argument only applies to a minority. Geez.. you are using a minority to try to prove a point it seems.

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@parados,

You are overweight?

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

You are overweight?

And you will still be stupid in the morning.

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@parados,

You can even get a credit card over the internet; no photo ID is needed or required.

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@parados,

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And you will still be stupid in the morning.

I'll take that as a yes. And you need to work on your originality. I will do the one liners, you suck at it.

http://www.alien-earth.org/images/smileys/groucho.gif

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@cicerone imposter,

How do you prove such a thing? How do you prove you are a US citizen?

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@Baldimo,

I was born in the US, and I was also in the USAF. We receive social security and MediCare benefits. My credit rating is EXCELLENT. Our address is in Silicon Valley where we have lived since the mid-seventies. I have most of my siblings who live in California. My brother is mayor of his city, and served two terms in the state legislature.

What more proof of my citizenship is needed?

Maybe, some conservative crazies will insist I was born in Japan, and I'm really not a US citizen - even after producing my birth certificate.

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@cicerone imposter,

My concern isn't with you CI.

I'm more concerned with the people who don't have any ID. How do they prove they can vote in the US?

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@Baldimo,

How can they vote in the US? They've been voting for decades when they had to prove their US citizenship and residency.

The GOP now wants to take away their right to vote. What's your excuse?

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@cicerone imposter,

This isn't what I'm saying and you know it.

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@coldjoint,

I'm surprised you almost recognized it.

By the "weigh", your non sequitor was a little heavy.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

My concern isn't with you CI.

I'm more concerned with the people who don't have any ID. How do they prove they can vote in the US?

Since when do they have to prove before they can do something in the US? We do have a long standard of not convicting people of a crime without evidence. The same goes for signing a statement under penalty of perjury. We don't require proof when someone does that. That would throw our entire legal system out the window if you no longer accept anything under penalty of perjury.

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@parados,

So how many people have been picked up for perjury for registering to vote when they were not allowed too? If you think a signature is going to prevent people from registering, when we know it doesn't, when are people going to jail? We know there are thousands of people who have registered to vote who are not citizens? When they going to jail?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo, How many times does it need to be shown that any fraud doesn't impact the result of any election. However, any voter ID law will impact those who have voted for decades, and have already proven their right to vote. Do you understand math? It's less than .0002% Can you translate that, or is that difficult math for you?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

So how many people have been picked up for perjury for registering to vote when they were not allowed too? If you think a signature is going to prevent people from registering, when we know it doesn't, when are people going to jail? We know there are thousands of people who have registered to vote who are not citizens? When they going to jail?

Yawn... "we know?"

What are you arguing? Thousands over the last 20 years? That would be during a time period when over 250,000,000 votes were cast in Presidential elections. Even if we give you 10,000 over that time period it is still only .004%.

Asking for voter ID at the polls doesn't do anything to prevent non citizens from registering to vote. It only means they have to show ID when they show up to vote.

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@parados,

He also doesn't understand simple facts: that many non-citizens steal other people's social security number to work and to use as an ID in this country.

From Fox News (a media that Baldimo should believe in).
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/04/10/hackers-steal-hundreds-thousands-social-security-numbers/

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baldimo says:

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So how many people have been picked up for perjury for registering to vote when they were not allowed too? If you think a signature is going to prevent people from registering, when we know it doesn't, when are people going to jail? We know there are thousands of people who have registered to vote who are not citizens? When they going to jail?

Whaddaya mean, "We know there are thousands...."? That's pure bilgewater, pure factless Republican rant. The "investigations" that were supposed to show that have collapsed of their own weight. The "1982,000" in florida somewhow shrank to 2,600, which shrank to 198, which shrank to something on the order of 25 that actually went to trial, And someo fo those bombed out and some were innocent mistakes by the registrant Hardly thousands.
As one aghast voting registrar said, "They told us to purge people born in Puerto Rico" (HINT: in case you don't know, people born in PR are US citizens by birth).

I believe you mentioned Colorado. they sent out 4000 letters questioning people's citizenship. Of the 1980 they ran thru a federal database, only 168 remained in question and required further verification not yet done. The other 88% were in fact US citizens.

those are the two big cases the right wing usually seems to cite in their (and your) "thousands", to which the proper rejoinder is "bullshit".

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@MontereyJack,

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As one aghast voting registrar said, "They told us to purge people born in Puerto Rico" (HINT: in case you don't know, people born in PR are US citizens by birth).

Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth or Territory belonging to the US but the people there are not allowed to vote in US elections. Puerto Rico is entitled to a Resident Commissioner, a delegate who is not allowed to vote on the floor of the House, but can vote on procedural matters and in House committees.

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