coldjoint
 
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Sun 27 Apr, 2014 11:38 am
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Cliven Bundy, the Dishonest Left, and the Welfare State

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If you Google “Cliven Bundy racist,” you will see the exuberance with which the left has attacked Bundy. What you will not see is much interest from the left in the ways the welfare state has decimated many neighborhoods in which black Americans live. On that point, Bundy was partly right.

Consider a couple of important indicators. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2011 blacks fell victim to homicide 7,380 times out of a total of 14,610 homicides. In other words, while blacks comprise around 13 percent of the total population, black victims account for more than half of all homicides. (See also my related article.) Meanwhile, the Centers for Disease Control’s National Vital Statistics Reports show that, of all black births in 2012, 72 percent were out of wedlock. Although there is nothing inherently wrong with out-of-wedlock births, in many cases such births involve broken families with absentee fathers—and this situation is rampant in many black communities. These claims are not wild-eyed right-wing conspiracies; they are readily accessible facts.

Progress?
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Indeed, as a chapter of the NAACP once concluded, “the ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today.” The same holds for the related problems usually associated with high-crime neighborhoods, including high rates of absentee fathers, rampant drug abuse, gang violence, and the like.

Welfare dependency is not, as Bundy absurdly suggests, worse than slavery. For starters, it is possible for individuals to escape welfare dependency by their personal efforts. Further, the rights violations involved with seizing people’s wealth to finance the welfare state hardly compare to the rights violations of enslaving human beings. However, the fact that the welfare state is not as horrible as slavery hardly counts in its favor.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-dishonest-left-welfare-state/
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 11:44 am
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Hawaii Students Sue for Being Ordered to Stop Distributing U.S. Constitution Pamphlets

Why did it even come to this? Do universities fear the Constitution? Or does academia? The answer is obvious.

Quote:
A University of Hawaii at Hilo student filed a lawsuit against her school on Thursday, alleging she was ordered to stop handing out copies of the U.S. Constitution.

Merritt Burch is suing the public university for violating her constitutional right to free speech.


http://collegeinsurrection.com/2014/04/hawaii-students-sue-for-being-ordered-to-stop-distributing-u-s-constitution-pamphlets/?
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 12:24 pm
@coldjoint,
Typical right wing half truth. She was not "stopped from handing out copies of the Constitution". She was in fact perfectly free to keep handing out copies of the Constitution. There were a bunch of students with all kinds of information being given out, and each set had a table, which they were supposed to stay behind. She saw other students walking around passing out information, so she did too. A college official said the rule for the day was you were supposed to stay at your table. NOW IF AN OFFICIAL TOLD HER SHE HAD TO STAY AT HER ASSIGNED TABLE, I'M PRETTY SURE THE OFFICIAL WAS TELLING THE OTHER STUDENTS MOVING AROUND EXACTLY THE SAME THING. BUT THE STORY MAKES NO MENTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAPPENED. Instead it focuses on rightwing paranoia only. Another bullshit half truth, half the information, story. To repeat, she was still perfectly free to hand out the Constitution at her table.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 12:32 pm
@coldjoint,
Try Cliven Bundy , the Welfare Rancher, a million dollars plus he's gotten free from the US, unlike the other 18,000 ranchers affected, who've paid their grazing fees, which incidentallhy are much lower than they'd have to pahy for grazing their cattle on private land, and don't begin to cover the costs to the government of cattle grazing on public lands. There was a figure of the fee being something like $1.35 per cow per day. Where else are you gonna feed and water a thousand pound animal for a buck and change a day? Let alone a human. Bundy is a total taker, to use Romney's phrase, has been for decades. If anybody doesn't deserve the welfare he's gotten, it's Cleven Bundy.
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jcboy
 
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Sun 27 Apr, 2014 12:45 pm
It is a fairly common practice that office holders will utilize their campaign funds to bestow gifts upon their supporters. At the holidays, it is not uncommon to receive a card or small ornament from the elected official. But $33,000 over 2 years for the purchase of ham and chocolate seems a bit extreme. Especially from a representative in a party that espouses strict fiscal discipline.

Texas Republican spent $14,000.00 on ham, $19,000.00 on Godiva Chocolate, all from his campaign fund

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Clearly, I live in the wrong congressional district. It was reported by Buzzfeed today that 90 year old Congressman Ralph Hall (R-TX04) has directed some $33,000 from his campaign coffers for the purchase of Honey Baked Hams and Godiva chocolates for certain members of his constituency.

The Texas 4th Congressional district is located just east of Dallas, Texas and is being set as the scene for a particularly contentious Republican run-off between Representative Hall and his Tea Party challenger, John Ratcliffe. Ratcliffe, a wealthy candidate almost completely self-funding his campaign was formerly a U.S. Attorney. He also happens to have been a recipient of Rep. Hall’s largesse when, a week after the filing deadline for this congressional race, Ratcliffe received his own Honey Baked ham from the congressman with a note saying, “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Ralph M. Hall.”


http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ralph_Hall_official_photo_portrait_color-e1398546804139.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 12:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MJ, We (including me) are encouraging the troll that provides nothing factual or worth reading. We should ALL STOP RESPONDING to icebrain, and let him die a natural death. 2 Cents Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Drunk Drunk Drunk
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 27 Apr, 2014 01:04 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/heres-exactly-how-much-the-government-would-have-to-spend-to-make-public-college-tuition-free/282803/

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/603671_748948945139589_6745215519660414037_n.jpg

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/2014/01/New_America_Higher_Ed_Budget/4a0bb9b4e.png

Jordan Weissmann Mar 8 2013, 1:55 PM ET
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The federal government already spends enough on student aid to cover tuition for every public college student in America. Maybe it's time to try.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/SHEEO_State_Higher_Ed_Revenue.JPG

It's been a glum few weeks in the world of higher education. We officially learned that states kept slashing their funding for colleges and universities in 2012, and tuition in turn kept on rising. Student loan debt expanded over the year, and more borrowers are falling behind on their debt.

In other words, same as it ever was (same as it ever was). The price of a degree has been going up faster than family incomes for decades now, and nobody has a clear fix yet. So rather than bemoan college costs like most days, I thought we could have some fun mulling over a radical solution: What if Washington just went ahead and made tuition at state schools free (or close to it)?

It might be more doable than you think.

We Already Spend the Money

Here's a little known fact: With what the federal government spent on its various and sundry student aid initiatives last year, it could have covered the tuition bill of every student at every public college in the country. Doing so might have required cutting off financial aid at Yale, Amherst, the University of Phoenix, and every other private university. But at this point, that might be a trade worth considering.

Let's start with a quick survey of the numbers. Between graduate students and undergrads at both four-year and community colleges, students paid just under $60 billion in tuition to attend state institutions of higher learning in fiscal year 2012. That's the giant magenta slice of the graph below, released this week by the State Higher Education Executive Officers Association. And just in case that figure sounds suspiciously low to you, the Department of Education reports that in the 2009-2010 school year, public colleges made about $57 billion off tuition (page 268, for those interested).

SHEEO_State_Higher_Ed_Revenue.JPG

That's our threshold: About $60 billion. Now how much does Washington spend on aid? According to the New America Foundation, the federal government appropriated some $77 billion worth of it in 2012 via a giant salad of tax breaks and grants, shown in yellow and orange below. The money we'd need for this grand experiment is already there. New_America_Federal_Student_Aid.JPG

To be sure, a good chunk of that funding already subsidizes state colleges. Take Pell Grants for low-income students, which currently cost Washington about $35 billion annually.* In the 2010-2011 school year, roughly 61 percent of that money, or $22 billion, went to students at public institutions.

But that doesn't change the big picture: With the money that's either going to private colleges, or or being paid to the public sector in a roundabout way via tax breaks, we could probably make tuition at public institutions — which educate about 76 percent of American undergrads — either free, or ridiculously cheap. The question then becomes whether that's a vision of higher education finance that we would want to embrace, and if it is, whether it would be a feasible policy.

What We're Doing Now Is Crazy

My instinct is that the answer to both those questions is yes. Many of the problems with higher education today can be traced back on some level to our current approach to aid, which has come to resemble a dog chasing its own tail. Since 1987, the SHEEO reports that states have cut per-student funding for schools by about 44 percent. The schools, in turn, have raised tuition. The federal government has swooped in with more generous grants, tax breaks, and low-interest loans to compensate. Yet, the availability of all that financial aid has probably allowed colleges to hike up tuition without worrying much about enrollment. It's also paved the way for more state budget cuts. So round and round we go.

Despite some of what you might have read, these problems haven't actually turned college into a bad investment. Going and graduating is still probably the best financial decision anybody not named Gates, Jobs, or Zuckerberg can make in their lives. But the persistent rise in costs have made college a progressively worse deal with each passing year. Perhaps more importantly, it's turned higher education into a much bigger financial gamble for marginal students at risk of dropping out — which, sadly, describes most young people who ever step foot in a college classroom.

The under-funding of public university systems and Washington's attempts to compensate have also helped nourish a giant barnacle on the side of higher education: the for-profit college industry. As scarce classroom space at community and open-admission state colleges has filled up, students turned towards alternatives like Kaplan University and University of Phoenix, which charge tens of thousands of dollars for degrees with dubious job market value. They get away with it because of federal aid. I call it the 10, 25, 50 problem: They educate around ten percent of students, who receive about a quarter of federal student aid and are responsible for about half of all loan defaults. They suck up about $8.8 billion, or around 25 percent, of all Pell Grant money.

And a "Public Option" Could Work

Turning our approach to aid inside out might be the right solution to these problems. Instead of handing money to students and parents, the federal government could instead send the cash down to the states, on the condition that local legislatures kept per student funding at a certain level, and colleges lowered their tuition rates (otherwise, it's likely some states would just cut their support further while relying on Uncle Sam to prop up their schools, all while tuition kept rising). Since student enrollment is also projected to increase over time, the federal government's contribution would probably have to be indexed in some way, either to inflation, or to the student population.

Now a confession: I went a bit overboard in the headline to get your attention. That's because we probably wouldn't want to make tuition entirely to free to all students, if only because that would risk triggering a crush of enrollment at open-admission schools, and probably encourage too many wealthier students to flood back into the public system, displacing needier kids. Instead, the goal would be to bring down the cost of school dramatically across the board, but while using progressive tuition levels so the poorest students paid nothing, while upper-middle-class and wealthy students paid a few thousand dollars each. That's not far off from what many elite schools do now, who charge rich kids more so the poor kids pay less.

That approach might also help address one of the most serious potential objections to the idea of killing off our current aid system: that it could accidentally make school more expensive for some of the poorest families. The reality is that tuition is not the biggest expense for most full-time undergrads at public colleges: It's cost of living. After all the other aid low-income students receive, Pell Grants and tax breaks often end up paying for their meals and rent. But if colleges continued charging at least some tuition for wealthier students, the money could be cycled back into living expense grants for the neediest.

Done right, we would end up with what liberal policy wonk Mike Konczal has deemed a true "public option" for education that could help bring down costs in the private sector as well. Here's how he explained the idea in Dissent a year ago:

Beyond ensuring equality of opportunity, another advantage of this approach is that it would help stop cost inflation. Free public universities would function like the proposed "public option" of healthcare reform. If increased demand for higher education is causing cost inflation, then spending money to reduce tuition at public universities will reduce tuition at private universities by causing them to hold down tuition to compete. This public option would reduce informational problems by creating a baseline of quality that new institutions have to compete with, allowing for a smoother transition to new competitors.

Yes, There Are Losers

Any major policy switch like this would create winners and losers, so let's sort them out.

The biggest loser would be students at private colleges, including traditional nonprofits and the for-profits. They would suddenly see their access to Pell Grants cut off, along with their eligibility for tax breaks like the American Opportunity Tax Credit, which lets students or parents deduct up to $10,000 worth of tuition expenses over four years from their returns. The upshot of this is that fewer poor and lower-middle class kids would attend the Harvards and Stanfords of the world. That's a big potential trade-off: About 15 percent of students at the 50 wealthiest colleges receive at least some Pell money. But there are reasons to think the impact wouldn't be disastrous. Top colleges might simply increase their financial aid. And beyond that, those students would still have loans available. And going into a bit more debt for an elite education, and the professional network that comes with it, would probably still pay off.

With non-loan aid to their students cut off, traditional private colleges and for-profits would also be forced to reconsider their pricing.

Striving upper-middle-class families who want nothing more than to send their children to an Ivy League school would feel some of the pain as well. In 2009, families and students claimed $15 billion worth of tax breaks for tuition. About 26 percent of that money went to families earning $100,000 to $180,000 a year. Those deductions would be off the table.

Law students working in public service and art-history majors with $100,000 tuition bills would also lose out. Aside from the direct allowances for tuition, one of the larger tax breaks included in New America's calculations is the student loan interest deduction, which lets single filers who make up to $75,000 a year chop up to $2,500 worth of interest off their annual taxes. This clearly helps borrowers with high debt loads. But again, the trade off would be that future generations would hopefully get to take out fewer loans in the first place.

Because that, again, would be the goal. By taking all the money that's currently flooding into the private sector or going indirectly to schools via tax breaks and giving it to states with some conditions attached, we could bring down the actual prices students are paying today. Sure, some upper-middle-class kid in Pennsylvania might get less money to attend a private school like Villanova, but they might be able to go to Penn State for $4,000, instead of the $20,000 they'd pay today.

And There Are Philosophical Objections

There are a number of rational philosophical objections critics could also raise. You might say that:

By bailing out public university systems, we'll snuff out the the exciting experiments in cost-saving educational technology that are just beginning to take seed. I'm not quite so concerned, since the private sector would still have plenty impetus to find creative ways of competing on cost with vastly less pricey state schools.
More government meddling might lead to stagnation at some of our best public universities. But those schools seem to have worked well enough in the mid-20th century, when vastly more of their funding came from government.
There might be less radical ways to fix our college costs problems, such as the Obama administration's proposal to tie financial aid eligibility and accreditation to affordability. But without refunding public colleges, you risk either demanding they simply do too much with too few resources, or not demanding enough and simply enshrining the status quo.
The benefits of college are great enough for individuals that we shouldn't be in the business of subsidizing it all. But if that's your stance, our policy argument is essentially metaphysical.

But It's Worth Entertaining

Would making this massive switch be simple? God no. Just figuring out the minimum state contribution would be an enormous, politically tumultuous task. Would it be politically possible? Traditional colleges and the for-profit sector would battle against it tooth and nail. But our college cost disease is chronic enough that it's worth at least entertaining an extraordinary cure.

After, it's not as if the way we're spending all that money now is working.

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*They're appropriated at $41 billion, meaning they effectively make up the entire grants portion of the pie chart.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 01:11 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Proves once again that the GOP prefers spending on wars over the benefit of the
American people, and they complain about the national debt. TNCFS

I should add the following; by spending money on wars and not on our education and infrastructure, we become a third world economy that's not able to compete with other developing and developed countries. We are now dying a slow death that's hard to identify, because most people are not interested in macro economics and how our own politics are killing the golden egg.

Competition continues to take away from American industry, and the politicians prefer to destroy this country because we have a black president.

bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Turning plowshares into swords.
bobsal u1553115
 
  5  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 02:44 pm
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140424-when-you-lie-down-with-dogs.jpg
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 04:36 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Sharpton Wants Clippers Owner Axed: 'Prepared to Rally In Front of NBA'

Does Sharpton know the Clippers owner is a life long Democrat? Everyone else does.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/sharpton-wants-clippers-owner-axed-prepared-rally-front-nba
jcboy
 
  6  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 04:50 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Grimm was named one of CREW’s 10 most corrupt members of Congress, and his fundraising has been under scrutiny from the minute that he reached Congress. Grimm is the typical House Republican who champions repealing the ACA and cutting taxes from the wealthy.

Republican Congressman Who Threatened To Throw a TV Reporter Off a Balcony Indicted

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Another Republican member of the House has bitten the dust. Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY), who threatened to throw a TV reporter off of a balcony at the State Of The Union, will be indicted for campaign finance violations.


http://edge1.politicususa.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/michael-grimm-485x260.jpg
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 05:00 pm
@jcboy,
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10 most corrupt members of Congress,


Who are the other nine? And who is responsible for the list? Let's see some facts, not heresay.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 05:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/martial7.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 05:22 pm
@coldjoint,
You are pretty stupid, aren't you? Labeling pictures with false tags only proves you're an idiot without much ethics or smarts.

Your simpleton brain just will never get it!
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 05:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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with false tags


There is not one thing false in those pictures. You just don't like seeing the truth.

Did you see the disclaimer that all can be "googled for accuracy."
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jcboy
 
  2  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 05:28 pm
@jcboy,
Between his shutting the gov't. down and all the votes to repeal healthcare, we could have fed a lot of people. We won't forget how Boehner went along with ALL of it even though he's changing his tone now. Time to get rid of all these assholes!

Sens. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee bash health law, Obama at GOP conference

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SANDY, Utah (AP) — Tea party favorites and Republican U.S. Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee condemned the federal health care law and the Obama administration to a crowd about 1,000 Utah Republican faithful Friday night.
Cruz, speaking in front of a giant American flag, called President Barack Obama “the most lawless President” in the nation’s history, criticizing decisions from his administration to delay parts of the health law and deciding not to go after states legalizing marijuana.
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RexRed
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 06:54 pm
@jcboy,
Feed them chocolate!!! Smile

It is better than cake...
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RexRed
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 06:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't even real 90% of CJ's posts and he is still on ignore.

If he wants to simply insult and not back up his politics with any factual evidence I don't have the time to even read his sewage...
RexRed
 
  1  
Sun 27 Apr, 2014 06:58 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Turning plowshares into swords.

...and science books into guns.
 

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