cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 3 Dec, 2013 01:12 pm
@parados,
Your previous post that proved that the deficit is not double since Obama took over is misleading, because the deficit AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP has dropped dramatically. This IS THE MAIN ISSUE. All countries view deficit based on the country's GDP, because that's what shows whether the country's deficit is too much.

Quote:
Fact - The debt has NOT doubled since Obama has been in the office of President.
Debt on Jan 21, 2009 - $10,625,053,544,309.79
Debt as of Nov 30, 2013 - $17,203,336,836,345.12
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current


What many people of the conservative persuasion doesn't understand is that when Obama took over, our country (and the world) was in the Great Recession, and Obama inherited two wars that was not paid for. All while the republicans refused to increase taxes to pay for them. TNCFS if they believe Obama can pay for saving our banks and paying for two wars while the GOP refused to increase taxes - on the rich.

From Wiki.
Quote:
National debt of the United States

U.S. federal debt held by the public as a percentage of GDP, from 1940 to 2012.
The United States public debt is the amount owed by the federal government of the United States. The measure of the public debt is the value of the Treasury securities that have been issued by the Treasury and other federal government agencies[which?] and which are outstanding at that point of time. Gross public debt consists of two components:[1]
Debt held by the public, such as Treasury securities held by investors outside the federal government, including that held by individuals, corporations, the Federal Reserve System and foreign, state and local governments.
Debt held by government accounts or intragovernmental debt, such as non-marketable Treasury securities held in accounts administered by the federal government that are owed to program beneficiaries, such as the Social Security Trust Fund. Debt held by government accounts represents the cumulative surpluses, including interest earnings, of these accounts that have been invested in Treasury securities.
In general, debt held by the public increases as a result of government spending and decreases as a result of government tax or other receipts, which fluctuate in the course of the fiscal year, and in practice Treasury securities are not issued or redeemed on a day-by-day basis.[2] (Treasury securities may also be issued or redeemed as part of government macroeconomic management.) The government surpluses between FY1998-FY2001 decreased the debt in the hands of the public, but was offset by increases in intragovernmental debt. The aggregate, gross amount that Treasury can borrow is limited by the United States debt ceiling.[3]
Historically, the US public debt as a share of GDP increased during wars and recessions, and subsequently declined. For example, debt held by the public as a share of GDP peaked just after World War II (113% of GDP in 1945), but then fell over the following 30 years. In recent decades, however, large budget deficits and the resulting increases in debt have led to concern about the long-term sustainability of the federal government's fiscal policies.[4] The ratio of debt to GDP may decrease as a result of a government surplus as well as due to growth of GDP and inflation.
On October 24, 2013, debt held by the public was approximately $12.122 trillion or about 72.8% of Q2 2013 GDP.[5][6] Intragovernmental holdings stood at $4.9 trillion (29%), giving a combined total public debt of $17.078 trillion.[5] As of January 2013, $5 trillion or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors, the largest of which were the People's Republic of China and Japan at just over $1.1 trillion each.[7]


And CBO.
Quote:
U.S. debt now about 73% of GDP, CBO says - MarketWatch
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 3 Dec, 2013 02:18 pm
@parados,
Why would we need to raise the debt limit then?
parados
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 08:43 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Why would we need to raise the debt limit then?

Hmm.... I'll bet you can figure that out if you think about it or maybe you can't figure it out since it requires second grade math.

The deficit wasn't over a trillion dollars, which was the lie, but it was in the range of $600 billion so we were still adding to the debt. Any other stupid questions you want to ask?
Region Philbis
 
  4  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 11:57 am

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coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 11:59 am
@parados,
People in glass houses........

I didn't vote for the asshole.
RexRed
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 04:49 pm
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RexRed
 
  1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 04:52 pm
Study: States that reject Medicaid expansion lose money
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/05/rejecting-medicaid-costs-states-more/3871811/

Fiscal conservatives? Where?
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RexRed
 
  1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 07:51 pm
Children started singing in Eric Cantor’s office, police are called in, threaten them with arrest
http://freakoutnation.com/2013/12/05/children-started-singing-in-eric-cantors-office-police-are-called-in-threaten-them-with-arrest/
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RexRed
 
  1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 09:05 pm
Interactive: Republicans More Likely to Have Constituents Who Use Food Stamps
http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/04/interactive-republicans-more-likely-to-have-constituents-who-use-food-stamps/?iid=sl-main-lead

Stockholm syndrome??? The republican constituents are in fear of losing their food stamps if they do not do as the GOP tells them...
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parados
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 09:11 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

People in glass houses........

I didn't vote for the asshole.


So you say. But we were talking about the lies you posted here. Changing the subject doesn't make your lies go away. It looks like you don't believe in personal responsibility when it comes to yourself.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 09:14 pm
@parados,
Quote:
But we were talking about the lies you posted here.


No worse than the presidents, and mine won't cost anyone a thing. Get over yourself blowhole.
RexRed
 
  2  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 09:59 am
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1497635_10151851721631275_1177101024_n.jpg

Time to vote out the GOP!!!!
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RexRed
 
  1  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:11 am
State conservative groups plan US-wide assault on education, health and tax
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/state-conservative-groups-assault-education-health-tax?CMP=ema_565

Is this what capitalism has come to today? SHAMEFUL!!!
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RexRed
 
  2  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:12 am
The GOP’s toxic messaging
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kathleen-parker-the-gops-toxic-messaging/2013/12/03/8111fbfe-5c59-11e3-95c2-13623eb2b0e1_story.html

The GOP's toxic message is all about fear and negativity, they are against everything, they are for nothing, drunk with power to manipulate the system, to destroy and obstruct, not to create anything that helps US, only to suppress and regress back to a time when things were worse for the majority of people. The GOP's only job is to protect the1% and their own jobs!!!!!

VOTE EVERY SINGLE GOP CANDIDATE FOR ANY OFFICE OUT IN 2014!!!!
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:37 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
VOTE EVERY SINGLE GOP CANDIDATE FOR ANY OFFICE OUT IN 2014!!!!


The opposite is going to happen and worse than it did in 2010.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:45 am
@RexRed,
Unfortunately the GOP is for something! They're for cutting benefits for homeless veterans, and cutting the budget for food stamps.

They're all heart, and no soul!@
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
Maybe you can send Rex some extra money. he has no intention on earning any.
RexRed
 
  2  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 01:12 pm
Isn't it obvious?

Conservatives Are Destroying Our Future. Image shared by the campaign to Raise The Minimum Wage. Please join us by giving our page a "like"!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/537251_561322510611856_684034689_n.png
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RexRed
 
  2  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 01:18 pm
@coldjoint,
You don't know my contribution to society Cold.... It seems your contribution to society is zilch if you are not more of a drain on society with your greedy, selfish, hatred for the safety net.

What have you given back to society and the earth lately?
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neologist
 
  1  
Fri 6 Dec, 2013 01:24 pm
As an aside, my wife will lose her insurance on January first. We have been trying to sign up for Obamacan't since Oct. 1. Now it's beginning to look like no insurance until she is old enough for Medicare in July.

She ain't the only one. A few of of our friends are experiencing the same. Tell us, Rex; which Republican hackers are responsible for the website failure? Could it be Obama's arrogant promise? I sure would like to keep her current plan, Period Exclamation
 

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