If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

@cicerone imposter,

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Of coarse he will not be performing any miracles; that's for the bible and their followers to believe. Why make miracles so obvious when it takes only b.s. to make people believe in fictional characters not supported by any other recorded history. One would think feeding thousands with a few loaves of bread and fishes would have been written up by many of his followers, but such records don't exist.

I don't really understand what you mean by this...it kinda sounds like your rambling (no offense)

Don't you believe that if he DID feed thousands with 3 fish or a loaf of bread IS AN IMPORTANT MIRACLE?? And it does not have to be written and rewritten over and over, one wrote of it, and it is read and reread millions of times over today in the Bible....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Let me see if I understand you correctly...

Are you asking, In order for Jesus to be valid, (you believe) that all His Prophets and Apostles etc...Should have been writing about the fact that he feed thousands with 3 fish, and a loaf of bread??? Apposed to what they wrote about him??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Do you understand logic? You can't use the same source to confirm what's written in any one book.

Do you understand how science works? Any theory must stand up to scrutiny by more than one way or source; it's not linear like the bible.

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@cicerone imposter,

AHH ok, if that's your position then do you mean science "trying" to survive scrutiny?...or like this man believes and approaches science??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8V8rtdXnLA

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@cicerone imposter,

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Do you understand logic? You can't use the same source to confirm what's written in any one book.

That is just the thing, it is NOT one relighable source...Put yourself in the time and situation...there is Christ, and he's doing miracles by the hundreds, and the mass in probably in the thousands...and hes doing miracle after miracle left and right, So first it would be hard if even possible to "keep up" with him...Second you have people scribing a miracle with which they hold on to as the one of most importance...So the words were written by MANY different individuals indeed! One may gravitate toward feeding the Hungry, which someone did for they scribed it, a women May sympathize with bleeding, because they in fact have to feel that, so someone (probably a women) scribed about how Jesus touched her, and her bleeding stopped...others Scribed about how sick were cured, such as Leprocy, and Paralyzed etc...and or demonicly cured, and or converted, and someone scribed about that etc...simply because that was what gravitated them toward scribing it...and the Bible is based on hundreds accounts of God, and or the teachings of God...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

If any scientific theory doesn't survive any scrutiny, it's not science.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

If any scientific theory doesn't survive any scrutiny, it's not science.

I don't agree, we all believed in a Newtonian view of the Universe before Einstein expounded his theories. That doesn't mean Newton wasn't a scientist.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If any scientific theory doesn't survive any scrutiny, it's not science.

Did you watch this video??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8V8rtdXnLA

I guess then (according to you) NOTHING Scientific is valid then...for 100 years from Now, what we in fact think is right could very well be wrong, and what they feel is right 1000 years from now could be much more wrong than we are today etc?? Do you see where I am going with this??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You're trying to equate a drawing of Michael Jackson to science? ROFLMAO

No wonder people who believe in religion has no common sense!

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@izzythepush,

izzy, You of all people should know that science is revised with new information as they become available and proven. Anyone with a title of 'scientist' is an oxymoron unless they have provided some science that stands the scrutiny of confirmation by others. For example, evolutionary theory has been proven, and no one in their right mind would question this - unless you're a christian. Can you disprove evolutionary theory?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

That's not rambling; it's called negating what has been claimed in the past by a fictional book called the bible.

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@cicerone imposter,

Why would I want to waste my time on such a futile exercise? The problem with the debate on evolutionary theory is that it's been treated as a religion by individuals who are every bit as evangelical in their beliefs as the worst of the Godsquad. Belief in the theory of evolution has absolutely nothing to do with belief in any form of spirituality. You say Christians when you really mean a certain type of Christian, the Pope believes in evolution. Many fundamentalist Jews and Moslems don't.

There's also the problem of inversion, standard Christian thinking is that we were in a state of grace/divinity, and we fell. Evolution says we evolved from animals, so it's just the direction that's wrong, it's not new, it's not radical, it's just upside down. What about the role of viruses/mutations? There's a herd of sheep in a Scottish Island that were thrown off the fields and onto the beach by aristocratic absentee landlords who wanted to raise cattle instead. In a very short period of time they adapted to eating seaweed, way too quickly for the evolutionary scheme of things. The theory of evolutional, though highly probable, is still shot full of holes. And instead of trying to turn it into some sort of alternative religion, try and be a bit more objective and stop ignoring evidence that doesn't fit in with your own theories.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You're trying to equate a drawing of Michael Jackson to science? ROFLMAO

No wonder people who believe in religion has no common sense!

why do you always have to be dramatic, and extreme? Do you believe this man's views are valid? or invalid? and please state why...rather than beating around the bush (just like you did, earlier in this thread with the remark of: if a man says he's Jesus, your in a Mexican City) Doesn't it occur to you and other out there that post these types of cheap shots, that if you took the time to actually post some reasons to suggest why the REAL Messiah is false, others would take "your views" more rational??

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@cicerone imposter,

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Do you understand logic? You can't use the same source to confirm what's written in any one book.

Do you NOT have or understand basic listening skills> The question was NOT directed toward you, but toward Cy...

He is a Taoist, and so I simply asked him if people said and felt they could communicate with Lao-Tzu, would or should they be laughed at? (it is a simple yes or no, and why) If you feel "compelled" to LISTEN and answer my question pertaining to Lao-Tzu then I will be inclined to "answer" your questions about Logic....

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@izzythepush,

We're talking about "scientific theory," not scientist.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Sorry, but you wrote,

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That is just the thing, it is NOT one relighable source...Put yourself in the time and situation...there is Christ, and he's doing miracles by the hundreds, and the mass in probably in the thousands...and hes doing miracle after miracle left and right, So first it would be hard if even possible to "keep up" with him...Second you have people scribing a miracle with which they hold on to as the one of most importance...So the words were written by MANY different individuals indeed! One may gravitate toward feeding the Hungry, which someone did for they scribed it, a women May sympathize with bleeding, because they in fact have to feel that, so someone (probably a women) scribed about how Jesus touched her, and her bleeding stopped...others Scribed about how sick were cured, such as Leprocy, and Paralyzed etc...and or demonicly cured, and or converted, and someone scribed about that etc...simply because that was what gravitated them toward scribing it...and the Bible is based on hundreds accounts of God, and or the teachings of God...

Yes, many people wrote the bible, but only the bible supports the bible. Just because there are many authors to one fictional book called the bible, it doesn't make it true even though many wrote about the same thing. Logic 101.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Your a Taoist right?? Would or Should you think that people should laugh at others if it was Lao-Tzu with which they could feel and communicate with??

Sorry, I must have missed this post.

But no, I am not a Taoist. I don't really call myself anything.
But I am of the opinion that any person claiming to be anyone who died thousands of years ago should, if it's Jesus, Cesar, Socrates or Lao-Tzu, should not be taken seriously. Well, they should be taken seriously in the same way a paranoid-schizophrenic is taken seriously.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Yes, many people wrote the bible, but only the bible supports the bible. Just because there are many authors to one fictional book called the bible, it doesn't make it true even though many wrote about the same thing. Logic 101.

Yes, But millions of people world wide. Who do good works to "progress humanity" Who are Christian, "support the Bible" Understanding 101....

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@Cyracuz,

Sorry, I misunderstood you....thanks for the answer...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

So, in your world only christians do good works. I'm flabbergasted at this news-worthy information, because many countries are not "christian." We must assume none of those non-christian countries have any good people in them.

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