If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

@cicerone imposter,

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So, in your world only christians do good works. I'm flabbergasted at this news-worthy information, because many countries are not "christian." We must assume none of those non-christian countries have any good people in them.

I figured you would say something like this....that is a fine point you made indeed...that is if it had ANYTHING to do with what we were talking about!! Again, you slam me for not having logic, and label me ignorant....but yet you can't see/or are unaware of your just as ignorant because you don't listen to people....So, why even make mention, or have, or hold on to the ignorance thing?? You asked me to provide a way to validate the Bible, With which you said I can't because it linear...With which I did, by stating Christians who "do actions to progress humanity" is validation.....

Then you said that science is different because it "must survive scrutiny"

Which I challenge, now, Are you telling me that if Some exceedingly smart brilliant Scientist came along, and was SO ABOVE the rest of the scientists, with which no other scientists could understand his methods or validate him/his scientific theory's/explainations....but yet he proved they were true, and were correct, are you telling me that because "other Scientists" could not "validate it" by testing it against scrutiny, (their own plausible theory's/explainations,) it would not be counted as scientific?

And futhermore, WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONLY "GOOD PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE OUT THERE?"

As a matter of fact, (because it pertains to your sterio-typing of me) I have GONE OUT OF MY WAY to tell people on here of other "faiths" as well as Atheists that if they are doing acts of "progressing humanity" then they are already doing a portion of God's work...(whether he exists or not, and whether they are aware of this or not) And the good actions, REGARDLESS of the belief/lack of belief are very Admirable things indeed! and should be "promoted"

Please know your facts about me. And who I am before labeling me/and or saying you know who you think I am!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

No; you tried to provide an example of a christian country with citizens who do good works. I proved by my statement that your claim is not logical.

You failed to mention that in any particular christian country, there are also murderers, rapists, thieves, frauds, cheats, and all forms of "sins" of humanity.

So your example fails on its own recognisance.

I label anyone on a2k who doesn't present logical discussion on any subject; not only about religion.

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@cicerone imposter,

And I provided a Video that depicts that nothing scientific will ever substaintially ''survive scrutiny" because scientists are getting farther and farther from what is right...if that is true, than your logical explaination of science, fails also...and nothing is or ever will be validated, for certain....and therefor, your not thinking logical at all....if you feel inclined to "call people out" about non logical posts or discussions, then I suggest you work and hone yourself in first, rather than pointing fingers at everybody else!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You'll have to provide proof of, "nothing scientific will ever substantially survive scrutiny?" One video like one bible is not proof of anything.

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@cicerone imposter,

So then again, What is your view(s) in conjunction to the video with which was posted?? Do you think this man's views are wrong? and why?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

And I provided a Video that depicts that nothing scientific will ever substaintially ''survive scrutiny" because scientists are getting farther and farther from what is right...if that is true, than your logical explaination of science, fails also...and nothing is or ever will be validated, for certain....and therefor, your not thinking logical at all....if you feel inclined to "call people out" about non logical posts or discussions, then I suggest you work and hone yourself in first, rather than pointing fingers at everybody else!

Validation is a separate issue from knowing... If we had to validate everything we know we know in order to make use of our knowledge or to learn more from it we would be stuck in the muck...

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@Fido,

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Validation is a separate issue from knowing... If we had to validate everything we know we know in order to make use of our knowledge or to learn more from it we would be stuck in the muck...

Which completely sums up my point, what then will ever be validated with certainty? (nothing) Including science....so whether we have knowledge in it or not...we very much indeed could be wrong....and the knowledge (science) is not much different overall, than things that are supossivly linear like the Bible...and I stand by what I said...Knowledge is not conclusive to certainty...about anything....and then science is "trying to survive scrutiny" rather than Surviving scrutiny...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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Validation is a separate issue from knowing... If we had to validate everything we know we know in order to make use of our knowledge or to learn more from it we would be stuck in the muck...

Which completely sums up my point, what then will ever be validated with certainty? (nothing) Including science....so whether we have knowledge in it or not...we very much indeed could be wrong....and the knowledge (science) is not much different overall, than things that are supossivly linear like the Bible...and I stand by what I said...Knowledge is not conclusive to certainty...about anything....and then science is "trying to survive scrutiny" rather than Surviving scrutiny...

All we need with science is a little understanding and so, predictability to our physical forms... It is not much really, compared to religion which felt it had to tell the whole story of creation, that is: how the infinite gave rise to the finite... Certainty, as belief is, is armor for ignorance.... It has served a specific purpose... Once primitive man had explained to primitive child how things had come to be, and what force lay behind them, then the child could give up futile wonderings forever, and give his full concentration to his survival... Even today people find it pointless and unproductive to ask questions they can in no sense answer... Science gives us a few answers, but it also gives us the means to ask more question... It is no dry well... Far from being an occupation, science is the epitome of entertainment...That is why Moral Philosophers and Theologins seem so glum, and scientists seem so happy... It is because their digging discovers gems, and because the crap philosophy digs through never reveals a pony...

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@Fido,

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That is why Moral Philosophers and Theologins seem so glum, and scientists seem so happy

Can you provide evidence of this?? Or do you just make this stuff up as you go along??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

The so-called "evidence" is obvious if you learn to accept science over a fictional book that's two thousand years old.

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@cicerone imposter,

Really? please explain how it is SO obvious??

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@bieberfever32798,

Bieber is Jesus. Ever notice how you never see them in the room at the same time?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Commandments: Thou shalt not kill. Honor thy father and thy mother.
World flood.
Human turned into pile of salt.
Thousands fed with a few loaves of bread and fishes.
First humans: Adam and Eve. Man created in god's image.
Bible claims: 7,000 year old earth.
Seven days of creation.
Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

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@Ragman,

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Bieber is Jesus. Ever notice how you never see them in the room at the same time?

Ever notice how you always have a vindictive, malicious, cocky attitude toward people who Believe in Christ...But yet they do not act like wise back toward you??

Even if your right about everything...I do not wish to associate myself with you...Until you act like a grown adult, I will disregard every word you post on here...just like you constantly do with your sneering, and egotistical overbearing, uppalling, unappealing, consistantly, self-centered, deogitory remarks toward other human beings, which probably are not much different than NORMAL atheists on here...except for you...You seem to be the single handed most distasteful, hatefilled person, I have come across ever on here!....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Doesn't feel to good to be treated like that does it?? (no, did not think so!) Think I am being brash toward you?? well I will provide a few examples, since you seem to harp about "evidence"

Topic, Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity...

Your posts:

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If he got me laid regularly I'd think he was a pretty swell guy.

You seem to have a habit of inventing words (omnipotent onicentness) and/or have difficulty with the language. Sure is unclear to me many times what your logic is about or your language.

{Edit: OHHH..you meant Omniscience. you really should stick to words you understand}

You refer to the biblical story of Adam as though it were/are a real historic event. This is proof that you're delusional besides being illogical. Only children or the delusional believe in fables.

Personally, I do my best to avoid such nonsensical discussions. I got involved here because you caught me between episodes of Two-and-a-half Men. At least that is entertainment that I can laugh at.

Carry on.

So like I said, when your drop your little 12 year old girl attitude, Any person of faith, should embrace you as a fellow human, till then, they should just blatinly disregard EVERY word out of your mouth...since it is the same thing you do to them!!! When you mature, and show that you can actually handle a website like this one....Believers would/and should listen to what you have to say, till then, (if ever) I believe even believers should cross the threshold of forgiveness toward you till you act responsible...at least if they ALL did this, you would learn rather quickly, that the feeling is very unpleasant to say the least...and the message would hit home, and sink in. And you would realize this world in NOT YOUR little playpen to do and say as you speak accordingly all the time I see in your posts...Have a nice life, Ragman....The Lord is Going to have fun with you indeed, showing your what it truly "means" to value human life!!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

And for all of you out there who value at least my views on God (if he exists) because I portray his Divine Mercy, Love, Acceptance, Forgiveness etc...Please do not be tricked up by this post....for, you know me and understand me better than that....

There is indeed a very important reason for my above post to ragman indeed, and when he answers it Like I forsee he will, I will explain My why I posted what I posted, directed toward him....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Don't hold your breath. (;- 0)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Perhaps you should read and focus at same time. Prior to now I have never replied to you or about you on A2K. I just wandered by this thread. Not only do you have no sense of humor but you foam at the mouth for no reason whatsover with your unprovoked "deogitory remarks".

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@Ragman,

Jason's evil twin? Wink

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@jcboy,

he needs more study. he hasn't quite the style or charm.

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