If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

where do you come to that conclusion....the Bible ALSO says, if ANY man take away from this book God takes away his life from Heaven...and if ANY add he will add the plagues in the Bible...so if it wasn't meant to be 666...seems like it would have been changed?? AFTER the flood, and the Bible was reinstituted in the world....please explain where you heard it was a typo??

in any case izzy, unless it states in the Bible later on (which I don't remember) that the number was meant to be 616 and not 666 it is someones hypothesis...which I don't feel inclined to except...but my point still has it's merit...616 or 666 shows more than half complete....

Google 'The number of the beast is not 666.' In any event it's only important if you take it all literally.

read this izzy.....


http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11133/revelation-666-is-not-the-number-of-the-beast

and read the buttom about the church of Satan....I quote...

(They and satanists responded coolly to the new “Revelation”. Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: “By using 666 we’re using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we’ll start using that.”)

how rediclous is that view?? I don't feel fear from the number 616 or 666...or even Satan himself when I see him face to face....but rather fear God when I feel his anger toward me.....

also izzy read this site, different perspective...

http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/666-616-number-mark-of-the-beast.htm

interesting that 666 equates to prince Charles of Wales...in their views....

also another interesting one izzy and all...


http://www.666myth.com/666_Ancients.html

at cic...

But you're asking someone to prove a double negative. Oh, and I don't believe in ghosts.

you should watch the show T.A.P.S. and watch shows of what they call an intelligent haunting...(in a nutshell it is where they use all kinds of sophisticated devices, such as multimeters, devices that read emf's (electro magnetic fields) etc and in the show you see them quote unqoute communicating and having conversations with spirits that are haunting particular areas....

in certain shows...I have seen one of the investigators asking questions and had a flashlight on the ground or on a desk (matter of fact I have seen this happen ATLEAST two or 3 times on this show) and they will say to the spirit. can you turn the flashlight on and it somehow someway does (if you deny spirits exist) and the investigators will say ok I am going to count to ten can you turn it off...and it goes off...then they will say ok can you turn the flashlight back on and it goes on....or they will say turn it off, and if you wan't me to leave you alone and not bother you turn the flashlight back on, and the light goes back on and the team of investigators leave the room and the spirit alone....So what I am saying is intelligent people today using high quality devices made today are in total understanding that there is ATLEAST some sorts of life after death....I would be curious by your statement above, as to how much you have studied about spirits to make the statement...I don't believe in Ghosts....

Also...

Some unknowns will never be known. Asking questions about them only leads to assumptions based on faith, and as we all know most humans on this planet live on faith, and not observable facts.

what exactly are you trying to state with this comment??

yes, some unknowns will never be known,

Asking questions about them only leads to assumptions based on faith

(this is your opinion) also assumptions based in lack of faith to make it correct, then, you should word it....

and as we all know most humans on this planet live on faith

Does this show to you, in your intelligence...that there is probably something there in terms of religion? or that MOST humans as a whole race then are in fact DUMB to believe in something that in your views are assumption-based from the spawn of man till now and probably forever??

and not observable facts.

I'd like to think I do BOTH, but please explain some observable facts that destroy faith-based-assumptions (in your views) all together...so that we can understand what your trying to show by your post....

If I wanted to, couldn't I flip the whole conversation around and say that trying to live in a world based ONLY on facts is virtually impossible??? you can't see your heart beating right now but know its happening to be alive...you can't see your consciounce as you read my post and are responding but KNOW you have a consciounce....you can't see people's faces when they talk on the phone but if you think about it (they) are interacting with what your saying just like your doing when you hear them speak...you can't see the sun setting on the southern hemisphere if your in the northern, (and or the opposite depending on where you live) etc...should I give more examples of where "faith-based-assumptions" destroys the logic of trying to live ONLY off of "evidence" or then would you agree at times "evidence" supports taking leaps of faith into other people's journeys has possitive examples??? because if you don't feel this way, I suggest you become a doctor to "reprove" how the heart beats to keep someone alive....

You chersh love??? Is that the idea of love, or the reality???... Because I hated lonliness, but never knew what love was until I was in it, and though I write love poems to my love, and think of her always, I hate love, endure love, and suffer it against my will...

Do you believe it is possible Fido, that you suffer against love because a lot of times you do not genuinely give it back to others??? OR, do you not see that by not giving it out (love) why then should ANYONE else feel obliged to ever"give" it back to you??? (based solely on your actions) so therefor, if you would like a calmer abstract life...seems the "evidence" shows if you can give genuine love you would receive genuine love making your life calmer and easier to see.....

The only thing I agree with in your post is the fact that "there are things we will never know." Beyond that, I try to use common sense, logic and some educated guess when I make any decision concerning life whether it has to do with my life, economics, or politics.

From my 20/20 vision looking back on my life, it's been way beyond the average, or anything I could have anticipated when I was a youngster trying to find the meaning of my life.

The only thing I agree with in your post is the fact that "there are things we will never know."

again, please explain with what I have stated above that you do not agree with...or are not open to believe, if you willing to, please...

Beyond that, I try to use common sense, logic and some educated guess when I make any decision concerning life whether it has to do with my life, economics, or politics.

So then, like EVERYONE else on the planet then, in your educated guesses as well as logic and common sense....Is it possible for you to be wrong in your educated guesses??

From my 20/20 vision looking back on my life, it's been way beyond the average, or anything I could have anticipated when I was a youngster trying to find the meaning of my life.

I think I understand what your trying to say by that above statement...and I "feel" the same way you do on this subject...(at least this is how I am interpreting the comment....) I too live a life that is very FULL of meaning...and I see this at a young age, (for I would consider myself young still) but I personally ( not saying that you do but your comment seems to imply this to me personally) I disagree with Fido about the whole living a life of less abstract without love....or a life of simplicity....

Seems to me that "evidence" shows and from my OWN educated guesses (in which I COULD be WRONG) is that if NOTHING else a life that has MORE meaning in it, the higher and more meaning your life has to it and more complex it gets...is the way you find what TRUE simplicity really is, also ONLY makes each one who has more meaning and complexities in their lives a STRONGER person, because there journey in life will present them with situations that in the END will make them MORE logical, and MORE common sense esk, and BETTER more evolved educated Guesses etc etc...simply put...because that person has been exposed in that area and knows how to handle the situations and or circumstances or even understandings that come with EACH and EVERY choice to develop a certain person INTO the FULL meaning of life that they indeed have....

I personally don't see how one can say that they have a lot of logic or common sense etc...if THEY wan't a life of Simplicity....unless of course "they" believe they "know" the answers before they get there...which in itself defeats itself...because finding these things out is about searching, which in NO way can ever be called simple....

I'm not here for tit for tat, and have explained my position clearly enough for it to be understood. You can talk about spirits with others so inclined.

Finally, I never claimed I never made mistakes. For you to imply otherwise only proves you're out for an argument. Bye.

ok, I WAS trying to have an in-depth logical, educated discussion with you to see your opinions on certain manners...seems like you took insult to the fact that by my post shows that ALL are incorrect at times...this was in NO WAY to offend you but to show to you as well as others who VALUE their opinions and to me don't really "try" to take in others from others perspectives that the simple fact is if you "rely" on educated guesses, then at some point your going against your own beliefs of "evidence only" because in order to have to make educated guesses because in these circumstances (I guess there is no proof or evidence to strictly go by) then 2 things are present, (whether Atheists wish to acknowledge them or not)...

1. your theory is flawed to say you live ONLY off of evidence....and

2. call it whatever you like but "everyone" somehow someway takes leaps of faith into what "they" believe...and as cic called them "educated guesses"...

You chersh love??? Is that the idea of love, or the reality???... Because I hated lonliness, but never knew what love was until I was in it, and though I write love poems to my love, and think of her always, I hate love, endure love, and suffer it against my will... How much more simple and free my life would be if I could not care... If the wounding and aimless flailing about of people in pain did not so touch me, and if the individuals in my life were not so hurt by me, and I by them, how much calmer and abstract would my vision be... If I could watch to tumult and agony of humanity played out upon the pages of history like some docudrama, and not understand how that leads to this, and how this will likely lead to that all over again, and if I could simply witness it without the ties of love tugging at my heart, feeling even the pain of long dead people who yet live through us, I could call my self happy, and I do not... I am happy enough only because I have love, but I cannot love as children and idiots love, without care, or fear... Love is my prison, or perhaps more correctly, my madhouse, and only death or dementia hold the key...

Also, Fido, I don't agree with the prison or madhouse view because to me...people suffer, because "they" don't have dominion over it and or can't control it....or suck at trying to control or have dominion over it....it ONLY is your prison or MADHOUSE because you ALLOW it to be....and yes, when you have dominion over things...another thing will "try" to take it's place and "try" to run your life....these things are probably the "devil" himself trying to discourage you...but if one tries "hard" enough then they in fact can conquer the things that in their lives are prison's or madhouses and or have dominion over them....Also I NEVER said that conquering these things are "easy" most times it takes years or even a life time to "conquer" our own prison's or madhouses....SO sorry if this news brings you down....just trying to tell it truthfully as I see things....

Finally, I never claimed I never made mistakes. For you to imply otherwise only proves you're out for an argument. Bye.

(again, your opinion or (educated guess))

my point was not solely about "you" cic, but about "EVERYONE"... that we are ALL FLAWED and WRONG at times, (if you reread my above posts)....ALSO, I will explain how my opinion is totally different than one who is "here" for "arguments or debates"

good thing, cic, you touched on this subject because I was going to state something I noticed myself....seems like some (themselves) are out here to try to sound clever or cunning and trick with cunning or evasive words...but from "MY" view as a TRUE BELIEVER of CHRIST tell you that...if ANY OTHER out there is asking me personally, about Christianity because your trying to accept "my" positions and or enlighten your beliefs with "different" outlooks ( as I myself am doing in listening to your views and or beliefs) than it is good, and I will accept and Give my views as best as I can describe them...so that we can have meaningful conversations....if Some out there are strict with their views, and not opened to ideas, why are you here to begin with?? and cunning or evasive words don't "fool" me...I can "see" that your here or debating with myself and other "believers" or "anyone" with different views, because you simply like to debate or argue about insigniffigant things...and or like to "hear yourself talk" in that case I am not here to debate these types of things...and I will openly say, NOTHING is BEING achieved in these types of discussions and You have "won" those debates with me...for I am not here to "try" to straighten out "every" ego...look inside yourself and you will know if my comment is meant for you or not or in what way does it apply to myself and your posts...

You wrote,

You're talking about generalities; you need to be more specific. Show me where I have made decisions based on "leaps of faith?" You can't.

give me a MORE specific example of where you make an educated guess in terms of as you have stated, and I quote,"when I make any decision concerning life whether it has to do with my life, economics, or politics. " and I will show you where in you educated guesses your taking a leap of faith, in what "YOU" believe

You went to Australia, that's a huge leap of faith. You could have played it safe and come to England like Jesus did.

Well, you got me there! The fact of the matter is, I refused to go to England because of the high cost there, but Australia is not cheap! Fish and chips with beer cost $50. I know I can get fish and chips and beer for much less in the UK.

Not my job; I've posted thousands (over 73,000) of posts on a2k. Quit making assumptions about me when you don't even know me - or can identify any of my posts that supports your claims. You can't. Happy hunting.

BTW, I'm an atheist.

BTW, I KNEW THAT! Who NOW is asking someone to prove a double negative??? If you "really" want me to I can "go thru" and find something....just because your atheist does not mean you "don't" take leaps of faith, was my point...