@Fido,
Dear Spade... Why not begin by proving the existence of God before considering that true love is one of his attributes... People do not defer their sins, their vices, their iniquities or injustice in the name of God...
No, can't really "prove" God exists or not...one must at some point take a leap of faith to except God's existance... because as you have stated A TRUE God would or could not be EVIL...but that one of complete abstract is responsible for these attributes....so therefor, a Genuine Loving attribute would be a Godly virtue....
I certainly "TRY" my best to "turn away from sin"...it is what TRUE repentance is ALL about....
They defer every good of life as they always have in the name of God, and they expect so much the same from others...
Again, as you have above stated, if God were really God, would you believe he is responsible for the Good? the Bad? or Good and Bad? I don't think the second 2 are possible if A TRUE God exists....Good and Bad defeat itself, for there would be Chaos, and corruption in the very kingdom that exists if there was a God who was responsable for both Good and Bad actions....
Also, simply put people are NOT NOR EVER WILL BE COMPLETE HERE ON EARTH...it's that simple to grasp...."it is wisdom to grab this concept at a young age" (factual evidence? look back at the life of humans, tell me where we were "complete" and or "one" with one and everything....(it NEVER happened) nor will it (EVER) you may look at that statement as "holding back society" I simply disagree...I "see" a lot of WISDOM in that sentence...If people did not accept and live as one with...Lao-Tzu, Confusious. Buddha-Kulta, Sidartha, Jesus, Mohammed, King David etc...Some of the MOST brilliant MEN EVER...(and the list goes on) (add anyone you think is brilliant and see if the formula still doesn't apply and tell me who they are and their beliefs if they have defeated this concept) then why do "YOU" personally think your "smart" but can't see then it won't ever happen....or that your trying to do something that simply "won't ever" be achieved here on earth, but that if there is a way it is where "ALL" can grasp concepts that would make us somehow and in someway "One" or "complete" with "everyone" and "everything"....
please define "good" that followers differ in his name, and if they do do this, then "they" can quite simply be wrong in how it is shown from one to another...but that doesn't show weakness also in God, but our understanding of how to do correctly toward another... And that we MUST be GENUINE to FULLY LOVE OTHER BEINGS besides ourselves....and that in NO WAY are ATHEISTS NOT GUILTY of this ALSO...it shows that somewhere there is unclarity that's all...and ALL who seek to understand these things will find them...here on earth in this life, by searching as deep as you can imagine...and if an afterlife exists than "those" who do hypocracy, by "claiming" to believe or follow but never take the time to try to understand where they are falling, or how the CORRECT way is meant to be upheld...then they will grasp these concepts on there day of judgement...which gives ALL according to their works and deeds....
and they expect so much the same from others...
I myself "try" not to expect it...because that alone is missing the point...or I have stated it unclear myself....If I always give (show love etc), then by God's words I am worthy of being forgiven, and worthy or BEING loved etc....it is simply put, "ABOVE" what another human thinks of me or my actions...so yes there may be times when I show love but someone doesn't show me love back, but then this just brings about another test in life....for me to either get upset or not and be humble and patient etc...because again at times I also probably don't give as MUCH as I COULD...but the understanding, that GOD himself, now sees your actions worthy and advesary or admirable in HIS eyes, because you have ENOUGH wisdom to understand that if you DESERVE things from God Himself, then you ought to show that your capable of doing these actions toward others or when called upon to receive them...so it isn't for one to go around and EXPECT people will do these things toward you...but rather God in these people making them feel COMPELLED to show YOU these attributes "they" (ones who feel compelled)may not even know they have these "attributes" or have these "feelings" (another "miracle" nonbelievers are "looking for", God will make another at SOME point GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to show loving attributes associated with A TRUE God...If one for the most part does these things, BY HIS MOUTH (God) "they" are worthy...not by another mans mouth makes actions acceptable or not...nor will it ever...ONLY by GOD....and when you feel forgiveness or love genuinely, you should then in RETURN to keep the CYCLE ongoing, SUBMIT these actions showing that if NOTHING else you VALUE the ACT of LOVE or FORGIVNESS itself, and WISH for OTHERS to have the SAME if not BETTER COMPLETE felling here on Earth...for we all are very UGLY on the inside...simply put, and there is NO way I will ever be convinced otherwise...I see it as some accept this fact, and some seem to try to show ways that they in fact don't need to change there views or actions, and that is simply not the case...to become wisdom esk, is to constantly break things down, and constantly take views and opinions in and reason acceptablity and unacceptablitiy and change the flaws....EVEN if the Bible is correct, it is virtually impossible to read and understand it all...it just shows that your need to have patients and devoution toward God, and THEN you will be given one in return for loyalty....same thing and NO exception with ANY relationship or friendship we have with others....If you can't genuinely "Give" love...why or how then are you ever worthy of receiving it back??? or again How then do you "know" one is being Genuine when they say or do things to show they "love" you???
and how do you know or diferentiate that when someone is showing you "Love" they are being honest and truthful with you?? I can personally see it from perceptions from God...explain how one who does not except God can see enough wisdom in "ANYONE"S" Love to see clearly if they are being Genuine or not???
Why good does not come out of religion can be clearly seen in the fact that goodness is first dispossed of by the religious and the poor simple fools who reject goodness because of the evil and intemperence and hypocracy of the true believers do not suffer less for the pleasure they take out of the immoral life...
How can it not be argued, that Nonbelievers accept ONLY bad when they REFUSE to accept that they TOO are VERY UGLY on the inside by ANY justification as to what a "smart" or "wisdom esk" one sees is acceptable codes of conduct "ALL" the time...and that TRUE believers are for the most part following codes of conduct that by ANY measure would for a FACT enhance other lives (again if they are doing it right and all you have to do is search the Bible and yourself) and probably make situations worse for "themselves" (the believers) and be in MANY ways and circumstances ONLY enhancing other lives, and or beliefs, including Non Believers....
I do not need to call those who wait for heaven to have justice fools... I do not call those who put off this life to have life eternal -fools... It is their foolishness that makes their lives such futility... They are not happy, and they are not commited to goodness and they are the greatest source of evil in this world beside which those who destroy themselves with simple immorality is child's play...
will we ever HAVE justice on earth in your eyes?? So how then are they Fools? depends on your definition of putting off...I believe in accepting a higher realm in Heaven REQUIRES one to grasp certain basics, such as life HERE will never be COMPLETE...I know ALL of us are unclean by ANY reasonable TRUE GOD, So why then if I can see these actions but not PROVE them, are they put aside or dismissed by "nonbelievers"...so am I putting off this life? I guess you can say I KNOW that better exists...I personally Use this life, to constantly search and learn things of higher understandings and perceptions, AND THEN submit to HELP others with their journey in life....I would say in a nutshell my life is not "futile" by ANY stretch...
They are not happy, and they are not commited to goodness and they are the greatest source of evil in this world beside which those who destroy themselves with simple immorality is child's play...
For the Most part I am Happy...I suffer, am purged etc...see demonic visions etc...but the Good things I "see" or "feel" Far outweigh the bad....What greater source of evil am I after with having this discussion with you right now?? oppossed to being a jerk and saying something like...I am right and your not and you'll see when you die...I am not saying these things but rather spending time with you guys and girls to explain, as I value your time with me....seems like if I didn't give my time by "evidence" would show I TRULY was acting in the GREATEST source of EVIL and or had hidden agendas etc....
One smart man said: If God is evil he cannot be God... People are foolish and that makes them seem evil and act evil, and if God cannot stop those from acting in his name from the evil they do, then He is not God...
Who is this smart man?? I agree with the next comment... If God is evil he cannot be God...(I see the next few comments differently) People are foolish and that makes them seem evil and act evil...first acts are evil, because they are acts from the "devil" second acts or actions are of higher consciousness in what you do with the perceptions....do you learn from being evil? then it is good...do you fall again? then your doing bad....are you angry with being shown you were foolish in an act? this is bad...if you show patients then your doing good etc...and every instance can be broken down this way....
and if God cannot stop those from acting in his name from the evil they do, then He is not God...
Again this is your opinion, and it has merit, but, God said for the most part humans are good, not perfect but good, further he says a number of a man is 666...or meaning 2/3rds complete here on earth....so I guess the True Believers defer themselves in how they react to that initial conscious feeling inside them to differentiate "good" and "bad" actions with which you hear and see everyday....a human being more complete than not complete, would mean God would be the good aspects...and if the Bible is true than there is a complete abstract responsible for 1/3rd of our life...on a rough estimate of each persons life....And I don't ALWAYS feel God when I am doing right things....but I feel Satan when I am Away from God, and feel Gods wrath when I do bad at times....So therefor, I can feel and diferentiate between God and Satan...etc...