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If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2011 05:25 am
@tenderfoot,
tenderfoot wrote:

Fido wrote:

tenderfoot wrote:

Yeah! on that crazy unbelievable story book called the bible or is it based on the children s very believable ( to them ) Alice in wonderland.

I think you miss the point... Spirituality and spiritual beliefs do not become easier to accept when cast in physical forms... The Bible makes belief more difficult rather than easier... To picture fairy tales and to illustrate books like Alice in wonderland, though charming they may be, rob the word of its power... The argument against the writing of the Iliad stands well, but for a different reason... Yes, the power of the mind is lessened when we rely upon printing rather than memory... But the power of words and verse that fit and flow and tell a great story of conflict and destruction, as the poert said of the Illiad, Of Rath, is lost the moment it is laid out...

We forget that as our minds grew, our memories grew... The old testament shows two peoples trying to become one again through a common literature, but in that fashion it can be compared to an even older literature, in the saga of Gilgamesh...Having the Bible, one can make better sense of the early traditions of the Arabs... After a point, the book become an object in itself, not the cause of faith, but the cause of practical anthropological study...

I would urge you to try to draw a picture of your fondest love, or of your most dreaded fear... I would bet you would rob the one of beauty and the other of terror.. . It may be enough to cure you of art... But the fact is, that while words give more freedom to imagination, they also reign in imagination... Dogma is the destruction of faith... Making the stories of a nation into an article of faith spells its destruction as a force... Certainly, idiots believe, but what else have they, and what are they good for but as tools for those who see through the book to the power they can gain over their fellows...

Fido....
As a person that has had two near death experience's , one when recovering from a heart attack and the other whilst having my pace maker replaced... I can tell you there is nothing fearful about the death experience, it's just the same as falling unconscious, also experienced. Spiritualists talking about spirituality means you have Spiritualized a normal function or miss function of a belief from someone unable to compute the un computable. As for terror I have none, am happy to leave that to terrorists.. it being a spiritualistic emotional thing to them. My wife is a excellent artist and very successful one at that ( portrait and animals ) can certainly bring them alive to the viewer ( comparing the photo to her painting ) am a great believer in living till you die and die from living life happily as possible and making the lives of your children as happy as possible and in my time of life trying to make my grandchildren's lives as happy as I can .
It sounds to me as though you made it to heaven and brought a little back to spread around... Too often, the problems people have is not the result of near death experiences, but from near life experiences... Having never lived, they fear to lose what they have never had and have never known to its fullest- like a dream of beauty one loses at the moment of waking and would snatch back if possible... The problem is not that we die, but that we never live... We put it off for tomorrow until we run out of tomorrows... We give up youth to have success... We give up romance for income... We give up adventure for stability... In the eternal trade offs we are forced to make to be civilized, tamed, and good for something we are lost, bit by bit, and forever...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 09:18 am
@Krumple,
We cherish love because it is rare and difficult to obtain and maintain. If it were common and there was no threat of losing it, love would not be as precious as we like to think that it is. The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable.

please show me with examples, where this is present from Jesus to people? Jesus did NOT threaten the apostles with wrath to descipline them, but rather showed ALL love regardless...even to the point of his death...The whole basis, of Christianity is hopefully there will be NOTHING but love in the end...but if it isn't the case...then by your theory hell existing and as you put it...The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable....heaven and hell are justified then...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 01:43 pm
@izzythepush,
thank you very much izzy for calling me genuine...I take that to heart and is the whole reason why I am hear to begin and end with....so that others can see a perspective from what a TRUE Christian is....and for the record, you going OUT of your way to call someone who (may or may not) differ from your views as being genuine, when you can clearly see they are, shows genuineness on your OWN BEHALF AS WELL!! =)=)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 01:57 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Thank you, I've been called a blasphemer enough times by J Goldman to notice the difference.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 01:58 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I don't think you are quite understanding what I mean. I am not talking about failing, I am talking about the risk, chance, possibility of failure. When that is overcome it increases the enjoyment, pleasure, excitement.

If you were to always win and there is never a chance of failure, the enjoyment would quickly fade. An example of this would be a game.

There is this game that you play and you always win, but not because you were good at playing but because you could never lose? The only reason you win, is because there is no chance of losing, that would make the game boring, maybe not at first but over time it would. This is what I am referring to when I say heaven would become boring because you would always win, no risk of losing.

this is a rather simplistic way of viewing one of the most complex things that exists in an afterlife....no one KNOWS for sure, what if you did not win ALL the time, because I felt like I wanted someone else to win? and they did? what happens if whenever I was mountain climbing, God gave me the perspective that I would ALWAYS fall, but I knew by faith in him and revealed at the end, I would NEVER fall...or that I would never fall NO MATTER WHAT even though I always felt like I would...would that not be Heaven then in terms of extreme sports??


Life has meaning because we don't always win or get our way or get the result we want.

and for you and every other sole out there, doesn't it suck when you don't get what you want??? so if a place exists where there is NO pain...and utter euphoria, do not doubt it could be a good or bad thing or try to distinguish between this realm and that one based on limits that exist here....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 02:23 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
sorry, I can't edit, and or delete so I will repost with updates....


I don't think you are quite understanding what I mean. I am not talking about failing, I am talking about the risk, chance, possibility of failure. When that is overcome it increases the enjoyment, pleasure, excitement.

If you were to always win and there is never a chance of failure, the enjoyment would quickly fade. An example of this would be a game.

There is this game that you play and you always win, but not because you were good at playing but because you could never lose? The only reason you win, is because there is no chance of losing, that would make the game boring, maybe not at first but over time it would. This is what I am referring to when I say heaven would become boring because you would always win, no risk of losing.

this is a rather simplistic way of viewing one of the most complex things that exists in an afterlife....no one KNOWS for sure, what if you did not win ALL the time, because I felt like I wanted someone else to win? and they did? what happens if whenever I was mountain climbing, God gave me the perspective that I would ALWAYS fall, but I knew by faith in him and revealed at the end, I would NEVER fall...or that I would never fall NO MATTER WHAT even though I always felt like I would...would that not be Heaven then in terms of extreme sports??


Life has meaning because we don't always win or get our way or get the result we want.

and for you and every other sole out there, doesn't it suck when you don't get what you want??? so if a place exists where there is NO pain...and utter euphoria, do not doubt it could be a good or bad thing or try to distinguish between this realm and that one based on limits that exist here....if the whole concept is different, which we have in fact stated it would have to be different in many ways, then there for the limits or boundries in which this place exists or operates from...would also be drastically different as well, without you ever being there you will never know how these things can be achieved, simply put....if you value this realm, and understand it has negative natures to it, which to you give the good aspects there good aspects with which I disagree, then if a place can exists where it is pure, it would somehow operate in many different limits or boundries than earth does....so therefor, it is near impossible to be thinking spiritually HERE without some of our own voids because we only KNOW earthly things...and like wise if you were in Heaven, as far as you know, you could care less about earth, and trust God...that is WHY none really come back and speak to the living, maybe only in dreams...or in simple ways...they are doing good and important things all the time....

and as far as I know again I don't need bad things in my life in order to value good things...I know right now what I am about to say is a good thing...I love you! that in NO way was understood or valued to me by people telling me they hate me or rejected me...because if that is the case, there really is NO reason for me to perservere and or go-on so to speak on this website....because honestly I know right now that I will probably get 1000 insults from ones who disagree to every one compliment....from ones who value things from God....and again, if good and bad give each other values or meanings...then is it not fair to say, if a bad act happened, could we all with understanding not expect a GOOD one to fallow? and wait for it? or if people did a good act, would then people flee or run and hide themselves because they don't want to be around the bad act? then rendering the bad act useless?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2011 02:48 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
and honestly, I am not calling you a liar krumple...
but I get the perception you DO understand what I am trying to say about your Taoistic outlook, but are trying to evade my question at hand, if you truly don't understand, then reread it a bunch of times and think about it hard....

I will explain it another way: explain how me giving you a compliment and said you have intelligence in my above response, should I now expect you to attack me to make my good act have merit?? if yes, then I will take the attack and still give you your due, edifying Christianity and God...and if you truly don't wish to attack me after reading this post, (which is how I feel almost 100% it is going to go down)....then Taoism, needs to be at least upgraded....because were not black and white like shown...but rather grey here slightly more lighter than dark...and white or dark completely later if an afterlife exists....and shows by your own actions YOU NEVER NEED TO INSULT to get your point across...you and I together just proved it....=)
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 01:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
That's an example of what is called a "double negative." You're reversing what we are asking christians to prove by reversing it to ask us the question they can't answer.


I will rephrase...he used the word miracle, so I did in return also. saying basically an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, if you take a leap of faith into whatever you may believe...I am guessing something gave you the insprition to in fact take that leap (and yes I do include Atheism) if you in fact dwell on the miracle aspect...of Christianity...then how then can I not ask to see proof from a Buddhist, Toaist, Christian, Atheist , Agnostic etc...as to what they believe.

Simple answer from a Christian answering to the best of my ability, if Their (Atheism) HEART is not WITH GOD or his BELIEF SYSTEMS, IS ANY miracle sufficent for them then to believe? Most times ones believe and acknowledge God, by a lifetime of struggles and being rebuked by God, it isn't as simple as seeing one deed...

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Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 02:41 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Krumple wrote:

We cherish love because it is rare and difficult to obtain and maintain. If it were common and there was no threat of losing it, love would not be as precious as we like to think that it is. The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable.


XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

please show me with examples, where this is present from Jesus to people? Jesus did NOT threaten the apostles with wrath to descipline them, but rather showed ALL love regardless...even to the point of his death...The whole basis, of Christianity is hopefully there will be NOTHING but love in the end...but if it isn't the case...then by your theory hell existing and as you put it...The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable....heaven and hell are justified then...


Wow, all I can say is that your education is severely lacking. You can't seem to differentiate between a rhetorical question and a proposed position if a statement is true.

The only thing I can think is that you had no ability to actually address the issues I brought up, just like the questions I posed previously which you neglected to answer. Your post is nothing but a derail or you just can not comprehend a simple paragraph.

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Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 02:48 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
this is a rather simplistic way of viewing one of the most complex things that exists in an afterlife....no one KNOWS for sure, what if you did not win ALL the time, because I felt like I wanted someone else to win? and they did? what happens if whenever I was mountain climbing, God gave me the perspective that I would ALWAYS fall, but I knew by faith in him and revealed at the end, I would NEVER fall...or that I would never fall NO MATTER WHAT even though I always felt like I would...would that not be Heaven then in terms of extreme sports??


I am not just talking about winning. I am talking about an existence where everything is perfect always WILL become stagnant and boring. The fact that in this life we don't always prevail is why we cherish the times when we do. You know what I mean but it ruins your concept of heaven for you, so you reject it hoping that I am wrong in some way, but you know I am right. The fact is christians avoid thinking about these sorts of things because they don't want to tarnish their "security blanket" idealistic after life.

It is absurd to think that a god would create a bunch of beings to under go some insignificantly short life span just to check to see if they should be punished or rewarded for the rest of time. It is sadistic to think that such a god would be worthy of praise for creating a system like that.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 02:54 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

and honestly, I am not calling you a liar krumple...
but I get the perception you DO understand what I am trying to say about your Taoistic outlook, but are trying to evade my question at hand, if you truly don't understand, then reread it a bunch of times and think about it hard....
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Why do you keep talking about taoism? I am not a taoist in any way.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I will explain it another way: explain how me giving you a compliment and said you have intelligence in my above response, should I now expect you to attack me to make my good act have merit?? if yes, then I will take the attack and still give you your due, edifying Christianity and God...and if you truly don't wish to attack me after reading this post, (which is how I feel almost 100% it is going to go down)....then Taoism, needs to be at least upgraded....because were not black and white like shown...but rather grey here slightly more lighter than dark...and white or dark completely later if an afterlife exists....and shows by your own actions YOU NEVER NEED TO INSULT to get your point across...you and I together just proved it....=)


My over all point was that people who believe in this theology of christianity create more problems on society than they think they are solving. They teach their children how to abandon rational thinking and problem solving so in adulthood they can't make good decisions. This causes all of humanity to be held back because of their poor ability to reason.

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 02:17 pm
@Krumple,
My over all point was that people who believe in this theology of christianity create more problems on society than they think they are solving.

How so?


They teach their children how to abandon rational thinking and problem solving so in adulthood they can't make good decisions.

And this is ONLY Christianity who does this? or is this others religions and belief systems as well? (including Atheism) if it is only Christianity, please explain how so?

Also, absolutly not TRUE in my case, I claimed to follow God but did NOT, So I guess you could say I was Atheist...felt God's wrath and repented, search as many religions as I could grasp, and found that it was Jesus trying to call me from the start....and NOW I make GOOD decisions all the time, not 100% but more that 80% of the time I'd say...back when I was Atheist, I NEVER made good decisions...or to equate it probably 20% of the time....

This causes all of humanity to be held back because of their poor ability to reason.

SO you in fact take offense to others who may be ignorant to certain facts or things you already grasp??? if that is truly how you feel, you should be publishing books with your theory's on life etc...so that WE ALL know what is CORRECT before our end comes.....

Do you feel Mentally Ill , or Handicapped people are holding back society as well because they too have poor abilities to reason?? or what is your take on handicapped people, you look at them and just say to yourself, sucks that they were dealt that hand, and keep walking??? makes more sense to believe a God would right the wrongs of the world, at some point...which the Bible is clear on this subject, the ill or sick the kingdom of Heaven is theirs....I'd rather believe that if you call that nonsense than believing EVERYTHING is in the hand of fate as to what kind of life your dealt with...it's MORE PLAUSIBLE to believe in a HIGHER BEING....

Also, I can go opposite on you and say that the Bible speaks clearly about end times and says that children will rise against there parents...this may be a good thing in your opinion if the parent was Christian, and the children was Atheist....but it only shows proof exactly how the world is going, and where we will be before the end...and that the Bible is true, and hence forth another "miracle" you non believers are "looking so hard for" when if the Bible is true, isn't the Atheists pulling more and more people away from truth, rather than as you view it progressing people and society??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 04:29 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
also krumble, I just thought of this....you claim in one post you want to do what is good for humanity, or the human race, and keep them progressing...but then also you believe that bashing people or tearing them down, would in ANY way help me, one in your view who is away from truth?....and you don't or can't see how these 2 notions will totally conflict with one another in your path?? and you also don't see by bashing people your totally 100% doing what YOU and YOUR mind want, because you get a GRATIFICATION feeling from tearing people down? with these views your more self-absorbed than progressing humanity...if anything YOU are the one with your actions who are hindering people....I'd rather be wrong about God, but right about actions towards others...then right about no God and still treat others like crap....because at least if I am wrong about God, I am still doing my part to help humanity....
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2011 01:32 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

We cherish love because it is rare and difficult to obtain and maintain. If it were common and there was no threat of losing it, love would not be as precious as we like to think that it is. The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable.

please show me with examples, where this is present from Jesus to people? Jesus did NOT threaten the apostles with wrath to descipline them, but rather showed ALL love regardless...even to the point of his death...The whole basis, of Christianity is hopefully there will be NOTHING but love in the end...but if it isn't the case...then by your theory hell existing and as you put it...The threat of losing love is what makes it so valuable....heaven and hell are justified then...
You chersh love??? Is that the idea of love, or the reality???... Because I hated lonliness, but never knew what love was until I was in it, and though I write love poems to my love, and think of her always, I hate love, endure love, and suffer it against my will... How much more simple and free my life would be if I could not care... If the wounding and aimless flailing about of people in pain did not so touch me, and if the individuals in my life were not so hurt by me, and I by them, how much calmer and abstract would my vision be... If I could watch to tumult and agony of humanity played out upon the pages of history like some docudrama, and not understand how that leads to this, and how this will likely lead to that all over again, and if I could simply witness it without the ties of love tugging at my heart, feeling even the pain of long dead people who yet live through us, I could call my self happy, and I do not... I am happy enough only because I have love, but I cannot love as children and idiots love, without care, or fear... Love is my prison, or perhaps more correctly, my madhouse, and only death or dementia hold the key...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:36 am
@Fido,
You chersh love???

yes I do, ABOVE all things...

Is that the idea of love, or the reality???...

Both and EVERYTHING else....

Because I hated lonliness, but never knew what love was until I was in it, and though I write love poems to my love, and think of her always, I hate love, endure love, and suffer it against my will...

I AM lonly at times and HATE it...and with OTHERS and am if ANYTHING MORE complete...sounds to me if you hate love, endure it, and suffer, it truly isn't love your feeling...but OTHER feelings...overwhelming your loving feeling...

How much more simple and free my life would be if I could not care...

Not true, if you didn't struggle with love and had dominion over that then you would suffer or lack in another area of your life...it is what perservearing is ALL about....

If the wounding and aimless flailing about of people in pain did not so touch me, and if the individuals in my life were not so hurt by me, and I by them, how much calmer and abstract would my vision be...

simplier, but more complex in other areas you would fail in...plus if love is this strong in your life...it is HELPING you to become a STRONGER PERSON simply put....Do you wish for the easy street in life? or one which has MORE meaning??

If I could watch to tumult and agony of humanity played out upon the pages of history like some docudrama, and not understand how that leads to this, and how this will likely lead to that all over again, and if I could simply witness it without the ties of love tugging at my heart, feeling even the pain of long dead people who yet live through us, I could call my self happy, and I do not...

doesn't this just then add fuel to the fire...that a higher being and purpose is at work? or of what then keeps you going if it is in fact NOT out of love for others that you suffer??

I am happy enough only because I have love, but I cannot love as children and idiots love, without care, or fear... Love is my prison, or perhaps more correctly, my madhouse, and only death or dementia hold the key...

I feel the same way about understanding love as an adult compared to children or idiots as you have called them...but I don't feel the same about this... Love is my prison, or perhaps more correctly, my madhouse, and only death or dementia hold the key...

only rather when we die WE WILL understand it all, and feel no sadness with love, and have eternity complete with the fullfillment of love to the highest regard, Unity with others and God...Something that will NEVER happen on earth, So NOONE can really say if they would or wouldn't be happy until the unity and oneness either does or doesn't happen...if it is in fact as the Bible states then we will be COMPLETE by love...and if not and we rot....then were free from suffering from what we call "love" here on earth, either way love is the answer....


Fido
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 12:56 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
No; it's Love, Spade... Just because everyone is different the love we feel may be different too... Since love is a moral form, there is no way to do a scientific study...Or experiment... Of moral forms we guess and do not know... And so I think, that if you love you are God's own victim only waiting for some cruel person to victimize... Your heart is all hung out ready for some one to stomp on or cut out, and only the grace of God if there is such a thing can save us... And in spite of all the weakness love makes us feel, it is in honesty our only strength... When people cannot love, or dare not love, then they are ready for the grave... We will always have weakness, but it is false to believe we can strap on armor to protect us... The only protection we have in love is honor and its twin, honesty... We know in love we will be hurt, possibly destroyed, but only we can make our destruction complete by deserving our fate with dishonor... No matter how much we hurt, if we can only say: This pain I do not deserve, then it may often be felt, and often with some satisfaction... But we should, as much as possible, deserve love, and deserve no humiliation...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 10:53 pm
@Fido,
and again, do you think that the act of being humiliated, is a reaction to love....because I feel that if your being humiliated than it is not love your feeling to begin with...possibly even the most extreme opposites in hate....

This pain I do not deserve, then it may often be felt, and often with some satisfaction... But we should, as much as possible, deserve love, and deserve no humiliation...

and also, does this not show evidence that unity in Heaven if possible WOULD be TRUE love and NO HUMILIATION attached? think about it when are you humiliated with love somehow attached? when you love someone physically and they don't love you back or reject you? it is NOT done this way in Heaven...we are ALL ONE WITH GOD AND brothers and sisters, and ALL AWAY from EVIL, so NONE would NOT be willing to except another...when you love a sibling but they are angry at you? or using drugs or alcohol and away from God? if the Bible is true, all of these situations would NOT exist...therefor, if the Bible is true, I probably will be hurt by showing love ALL the time, NOW (hanging my heart out as you have said) but to embrace love fully means you should in my views be willing to then show it as MUCH as possible if not ALL the TIME...to EVERYONE else...because by doing this, in turn I will receive love from another I don't expect when I am down myself...and sometimes that is the definition of love at its greatest....and it can't be summed up ANY better on earth...be willing to give it ALWAYS to brighten up the ones who truly take Honor in your love toward them to encourage them, and the ones who claim it is useless...giving love to ones who use it and except love overpowers the ones who laugh or try to devalue your objective in supporting them...when it is EASY to see MOST times they REALLY do need THAT love anyways and ones who claim it has no value are not really fooling anyone but themselves or believing their own lies...and when I receive love when I do Not expect it and am down, I don't really think I need to explain how powerful of a notion that can be to envigourate someone in positive actions going forward...I don't know how or where from my post you can see that someone who shows love is accepting love dishonoraly? only way of the idea of "Love" being better is ALWAYS encompassed in it, probably not possible here...but if the Bible is true then it will be ONE day in Heaven...and we both agree, if Love can exist with no humiliation attached then it would be euphoria...which is how the kingdom of Heaven is said to be....
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 06:42 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Dear Spade... Why not begin by proving the existence of God before considering that true love is one of his attributes... People do not defer their sins, their vices, their iniquities or injustice in the name of God... They defer every good of life as they always have in the name of God, and they expect so much the same from others... Why good does not come out of religion can be clearly seen in the fact that goodness is first dispossed of by the religious and the poor simple fools who reject goodness because of the evil and intemperence and hypocracy of the true believers do not suffer less for the pleasure they take out of the immoral life... I do not need to call those who wait for heaven to have justice fools... I do not call those who put off this life to have life eternal -fools... It is their foolishness that makes their lives such futility... They are not happy, and they are not commited to goodness and they are the greatest source of evil in this world beside which those who destroy themselves with simple immorality is child's play... One smart man said: If God is evil he cannot be God... People are foolish and that makes them seem evil and act evil, and if God cannot stop those from acting in his name from the evil they do, then He is not God...

I would paint you a picture of God, as evil, and if not evil then uncaring, or even ignorant; but most likely unconscious in any sense in which we use the word....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 01:54 pm
@Fido,
Dear Spade... Why not begin by proving the existence of God before considering that true love is one of his attributes... People do not defer their sins, their vices, their iniquities or injustice in the name of God...

No, can't really "prove" God exists or not...one must at some point take a leap of faith to except God's existance... because as you have stated A TRUE God would or could not be EVIL...but that one of complete abstract is responsible for these attributes....so therefor, a Genuine Loving attribute would be a Godly virtue....

I certainly "TRY" my best to "turn away from sin"...it is what TRUE repentance is ALL about....

They defer every good of life as they always have in the name of God, and they expect so much the same from others...

Again, as you have above stated, if God were really God, would you believe he is responsible for the Good? the Bad? or Good and Bad? I don't think the second 2 are possible if A TRUE God exists....Good and Bad defeat itself, for there would be Chaos, and corruption in the very kingdom that exists if there was a God who was responsable for both Good and Bad actions....

Also, simply put people are NOT NOR EVER WILL BE COMPLETE HERE ON EARTH...it's that simple to grasp...."it is wisdom to grab this concept at a young age" (factual evidence? look back at the life of humans, tell me where we were "complete" and or "one" with one and everything....(it NEVER happened) nor will it (EVER) you may look at that statement as "holding back society" I simply disagree...I "see" a lot of WISDOM in that sentence...If people did not accept and live as one with...Lao-Tzu, Confusious. Buddha-Kulta, Sidartha, Jesus, Mohammed, King David etc...Some of the MOST brilliant MEN EVER...(and the list goes on) (add anyone you think is brilliant and see if the formula still doesn't apply and tell me who they are and their beliefs if they have defeated this concept) then why do "YOU" personally think your "smart" but can't see then it won't ever happen....or that your trying to do something that simply "won't ever" be achieved here on earth, but that if there is a way it is where "ALL" can grasp concepts that would make us somehow and in someway "One" or "complete" with "everyone" and "everything"....

please define "good" that followers differ in his name, and if they do do this, then "they" can quite simply be wrong in how it is shown from one to another...but that doesn't show weakness also in God, but our understanding of how to do correctly toward another... And that we MUST be GENUINE to FULLY LOVE OTHER BEINGS besides ourselves....and that in NO WAY are ATHEISTS NOT GUILTY of this ALSO...it shows that somewhere there is unclarity that's all...and ALL who seek to understand these things will find them...here on earth in this life, by searching as deep as you can imagine...and if an afterlife exists than "those" who do hypocracy, by "claiming" to believe or follow but never take the time to try to understand where they are falling, or how the CORRECT way is meant to be upheld...then they will grasp these concepts on there day of judgement...which gives ALL according to their works and deeds....

and they expect so much the same from others...

I myself "try" not to expect it...because that alone is missing the point...or I have stated it unclear myself....If I always give (show love etc), then by God's words I am worthy of being forgiven, and worthy or BEING loved etc....it is simply put, "ABOVE" what another human thinks of me or my actions...so yes there may be times when I show love but someone doesn't show me love back, but then this just brings about another test in life....for me to either get upset or not and be humble and patient etc...because again at times I also probably don't give as MUCH as I COULD...but the understanding, that GOD himself, now sees your actions worthy and advesary or admirable in HIS eyes, because you have ENOUGH wisdom to understand that if you DESERVE things from God Himself, then you ought to show that your capable of doing these actions toward others or when called upon to receive them...so it isn't for one to go around and EXPECT people will do these things toward you...but rather God in these people making them feel COMPELLED to show YOU these attributes "they" (ones who feel compelled)may not even know they have these "attributes" or have these "feelings" (another "miracle" nonbelievers are "looking for", God will make another at SOME point GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to show loving attributes associated with A TRUE God...If one for the most part does these things, BY HIS MOUTH (God) "they" are worthy...not by another mans mouth makes actions acceptable or not...nor will it ever...ONLY by GOD....and when you feel forgiveness or love genuinely, you should then in RETURN to keep the CYCLE ongoing, SUBMIT these actions showing that if NOTHING else you VALUE the ACT of LOVE or FORGIVNESS itself, and WISH for OTHERS to have the SAME if not BETTER COMPLETE felling here on Earth...for we all are very UGLY on the inside...simply put, and there is NO way I will ever be convinced otherwise...I see it as some accept this fact, and some seem to try to show ways that they in fact don't need to change there views or actions, and that is simply not the case...to become wisdom esk, is to constantly break things down, and constantly take views and opinions in and reason acceptablity and unacceptablitiy and change the flaws....EVEN if the Bible is correct, it is virtually impossible to read and understand it all...it just shows that your need to have patients and devoution toward God, and THEN you will be given one in return for loyalty....same thing and NO exception with ANY relationship or friendship we have with others....If you can't genuinely "Give" love...why or how then are you ever worthy of receiving it back??? or again How then do you "know" one is being Genuine when they say or do things to show they "love" you???

and how do you know or diferentiate that when someone is showing you "Love" they are being honest and truthful with you?? I can personally see it from perceptions from God...explain how one who does not except God can see enough wisdom in "ANYONE"S" Love to see clearly if they are being Genuine or not???

Why good does not come out of religion can be clearly seen in the fact that goodness is first dispossed of by the religious and the poor simple fools who reject goodness because of the evil and intemperence and hypocracy of the true believers do not suffer less for the pleasure they take out of the immoral life...

How can it not be argued, that Nonbelievers accept ONLY bad when they REFUSE to accept that they TOO are VERY UGLY on the inside by ANY justification as to what a "smart" or "wisdom esk" one sees is acceptable codes of conduct "ALL" the time...and that TRUE believers are for the most part following codes of conduct that by ANY measure would for a FACT enhance other lives (again if they are doing it right and all you have to do is search the Bible and yourself) and probably make situations worse for "themselves" (the believers) and be in MANY ways and circumstances ONLY enhancing other lives, and or beliefs, including Non Believers....

I do not need to call those who wait for heaven to have justice fools... I do not call those who put off this life to have life eternal -fools... It is their foolishness that makes their lives such futility... They are not happy, and they are not commited to goodness and they are the greatest source of evil in this world beside which those who destroy themselves with simple immorality is child's play...

will we ever HAVE justice on earth in your eyes?? So how then are they Fools? depends on your definition of putting off...I believe in accepting a higher realm in Heaven REQUIRES one to grasp certain basics, such as life HERE will never be COMPLETE...I know ALL of us are unclean by ANY reasonable TRUE GOD, So why then if I can see these actions but not PROVE them, are they put aside or dismissed by "nonbelievers"...so am I putting off this life? I guess you can say I KNOW that better exists...I personally Use this life, to constantly search and learn things of higher understandings and perceptions, AND THEN submit to HELP others with their journey in life....I would say in a nutshell my life is not "futile" by ANY stretch...

They are not happy, and they are not commited to goodness and they are the greatest source of evil in this world beside which those who destroy themselves with simple immorality is child's play...

For the Most part I am Happy...I suffer, am purged etc...see demonic visions etc...but the Good things I "see" or "feel" Far outweigh the bad....What greater source of evil am I after with having this discussion with you right now?? oppossed to being a jerk and saying something like...I am right and your not and you'll see when you die...I am not saying these things but rather spending time with you guys and girls to explain, as I value your time with me....seems like if I didn't give my time by "evidence" would show I TRULY was acting in the GREATEST source of EVIL and or had hidden agendas etc....

One smart man said: If God is evil he cannot be God... People are foolish and that makes them seem evil and act evil, and if God cannot stop those from acting in his name from the evil they do, then He is not God...

Who is this smart man?? I agree with the next comment... If God is evil he cannot be God...(I see the next few comments differently) People are foolish and that makes them seem evil and act evil...first acts are evil, because they are acts from the "devil" second acts or actions are of higher consciousness in what you do with the perceptions....do you learn from being evil? then it is good...do you fall again? then your doing bad....are you angry with being shown you were foolish in an act? this is bad...if you show patients then your doing good etc...and every instance can be broken down this way....

and if God cannot stop those from acting in his name from the evil they do, then He is not God...

Again this is your opinion, and it has merit, but, God said for the most part humans are good, not perfect but good, further he says a number of a man is 666...or meaning 2/3rds complete here on earth....so I guess the True Believers defer themselves in how they react to that initial conscious feeling inside them to differentiate "good" and "bad" actions with which you hear and see everyday....a human being more complete than not complete, would mean God would be the good aspects...and if the Bible is true than there is a complete abstract responsible for 1/3rd of our life...on a rough estimate of each persons life....And I don't ALWAYS feel God when I am doing right things....but I feel Satan when I am Away from God, and feel Gods wrath when I do bad at times....So therefor, I can feel and diferentiate between God and Satan...etc...
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 01:58 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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he says a number of a man is 666...
No, it was a typo. It's 616,(honest.)
 

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