If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

@Finn dAbuzz,

I don't feel the need to explain my spiritual beliefs to anyone, let them think what they will.

@izzythepush,

amen.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote.......... Better to crack wise in Hell, Old Son than to put such idiocy aside in Heaven. Unquote.

I'm looking forward to going to your God/Goddess hell, at least it'll be warm there, been bloody cold here 10 deg at night and 18deg in the day... plus I'll have the company of non Christian conversation.
Am assuming that it's your God/Goddess that will show me to my new abode, seeing you know so much about him perhaps you could throw a good word in for me, like do the Christian deed :-).

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Perhaps if we could trace the ancestry of Jesus' mortal siblings from then to now we could get a DNA sample and make the person claiming to be the Messiah give a spit sample. After all, he would have some of the same dna from his mortal mother right?

Yes, I realize how dumb this is. Just having my little joke.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Actually, I want to see the DNA of god.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

Perhaps if we could trace the ancestry of Jesus' mortal siblings from then to now we could get a DNA sample and make the person claiming to be the Messiah give a spit sample. After all, he would have some of the same dna from his mortal mother right?

Yes, I realize how dumb this is. Just having my little joke.

There seems to have been a systematic attempt to locate and eliminate all the relatives of Jesus...

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@izzythepush,

And yet you feel the need to explain your political beliefs and what comics are funny just about every single day.

Of course you aren't compelled to explain you spiritual beliefs to anyone. Who argued that you did.

You complained that I associated you and tenderfoot (or is it tenderfeet?). He claimed you as a brethren and you didn't disabuse him, and so I assumed he had a reason to. If you take umbrage at people associating their beliefs with you than you kind of do need to explain your beliefs...or just pout.

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@tenderfoot,

You obviously never read Paradise Lost.

I love how savants like you only have the wit to argue against the most literal and obviously foolish notions of religion.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I feel differently about politics. It's substantive, spirituality isn't. I don't need to start picking a fight with Tenderfoot, you acan do that. You're the one with some sort of persecution complex.

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@izzythepush,

Telling him you disagreed is "picking a fight?"

Besides, you're wonderful izzy, a gallon jug of the milk of human kindness; you could never be belligerent...even if you tried (which of course you never would)

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@cicerone imposter,

it'll cost ya

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@blueveinedthrobber,

I believe the cost will be prohibitive for this retired old man.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote. I love how savants like you only have the wit to argue against the most literal and obviously foolish notions of religion. Unquote.

Glad you love that, I do only argue against the most literal and obviously foolish notions of religion, trouble is... that's about all the fairy tale bible book is full of. :-)

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Telling him you disagreed is "picking a fight?"

It is when you do it. What did you particularly like about Paradise Lost? I'd really like to get your take on it.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I feel differently about politics. It's substantive, spirituality isn't. I don't need to start picking a fight with Tenderfoot, you acan do that. You're the one with some sort of persecution complex.

You will never begin to understand politics until you understand spirituality... The extent to which our actions and political attitudes are governed by the irrational, and by moral forms generally is beyond measure, and yet it can be seen everywhere and sensed always... Since we conceive of ourselves spiritually and spend our lives in pursuit of spiritual rather than material values, reason only comes into play in the pursuit of the unreasonable... It does not matter that we think we are reasonable and believe all others are unreasonable... We are all unreasonable, all irrational; and if not crazy as bed bugs are not one of us the paragons of reasoned consideration we think of ourselves as being...

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@Fido,

Fido wrote:

You will never begin to understand politics until you understand spirituality...

That's your opinion.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Fido wrote:

You will never begin to understand politics until you understand spirituality...

That's your opinion.

It certainly is, and I trust, well founded..

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@Fido,

Yeah! on that crazy unbelievable story book called the bible or is it based on the children s very believable ( to them ) Alice in wonderland.

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@tenderfoot,

tenderfoot wrote:

Yeah! on that crazy unbelievable story book called the bible or is it based on the children s very believable ( to them ) Alice in wonderland.

I think you miss the point... Spirituality and spiritual beliefs do not become easier to accept when cast in physical forms... The Bible makes belief more difficult rather than easier... To picture fairy tales and to illustrate books like Alice in wonderland, though charming they may be, rob the word of its power... The argument against the writing of the Iliad stands well, but for a different reason... Yes, the power of the mind is lessened when we rely upon printing rather than memory... But the power of words and verse that fit and flow and tell a great story of conflict and destruction, as the poert said of the Illiad, Of Rath, is lost the moment it is laid out...

We forget that as our minds grew, our memories grew... The old testament shows two peoples trying to become one again through a common literature, but in that fashion it can be compared to an even older literature, in the saga of Gilgamesh...Having the Bible, one can make better sense of the early traditions of the Arabs... After a point, the book become an object in itself, not the cause of faith, but the cause of practical anthropological study...

I would urge you to try to draw a picture of your fondest love, or of your most dreaded fear... I would bet you would rob the one of beauty and the other of terror.. . It may be enough to cure you of art... But the fact is, that while words give more freedom to imagination, they also reign in imagination... Dogma is the destruction of faith... Making the stories of a nation into an article of faith spells its destruction as a force... Certainly, idiots believe, but what else have they, and what are they good for but as tools for those who see through the book to the power they can gain over their fellows...

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@Fido,

Fido wrote:

tenderfoot wrote:

Yeah! on that crazy unbelievable story book called the bible or is it based on the children s very believable ( to them ) Alice in wonderland.

I think you miss the point... Spirituality and spiritual beliefs do not become easier to accept when cast in physical forms... The Bible makes belief more difficult rather than easier... To picture fairy tales and to illustrate books like Alice in wonderland, though charming they may be, rob the word of its power... The argument against the writing of the Iliad stands well, but for a different reason... Yes, the power of the mind is lessened when we rely upon printing rather than memory... But the power of words and verse that fit and flow and tell a great story of conflict and destruction, as the poert said of the Illiad, Of Rath, is lost the moment it is laid out...

We forget that as our minds grew, our memories grew... The old testament shows two peoples trying to become one again through a common literature, but in that fashion it can be compared to an even older literature, in the saga of Gilgamesh...Having the Bible, one can make better sense of the early traditions of the Arabs... After a point, the book become an object in itself, not the cause of faith, but the cause of practical anthropological study...

I would urge you to try to draw a picture of your fondest love, or of your most dreaded fear... I would bet you would rob the one of beauty and the other of terror.. . It may be enough to cure you of art... But the fact is, that while words give more freedom to imagination, they also reign in imagination... Dogma is the destruction of faith... Making the stories of a nation into an article of faith spells its destruction as a force... Certainly, idiots believe, but what else have they, and what are they good for but as tools for those who see through the book to the power they can gain over their fellows...

Fido....
As a person that has had two near death experience's , one when recovering from a heart attack and the other whilst having my pace maker replaced... I can tell you there is nothing fearful about the death experience, it's just the same as falling unconscious, also experienced. Spiritualists talking about spirituality means you have Spiritualized a normal function or miss function of a belief from someone unable to compute the un computable. As for terror I have none, am happy to leave that to terrorists.. it being a spiritualistic emotional thing to them. My wife is a excellent artist and very successful one at that ( portrait and animals ) can certainly bring them alive to the viewer ( comparing the photo to her painting ) am a great believer in living till you die and die from living life happily as possible and making the lives of your children as happy as possible and in my time of life trying to make my grandchildren's lives as happy as I can .

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