If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

I would not want to live for ever. I doubt you have even considered the consequences of what that would mean. I have and there is absolutely no way that could make it a good thing. The idea itself cheapens this life and renders it worthless. You honestly think that an after life would be similar to this one? It is the struggle itself which gives this life value and meaning. If there is no struggle then it will become boring and have no value.

Those who believe in an after life only consider one thing, that their ego will not die. That is the point they are expressing when they talk about the concept. They don't like the idea that they will cease to exist one day and that scares the hell out of them. So they embrace the idea that they will exist for ever as a way of easing their mind to the inevitable reality that they won't.



I am compelled because it is people who believe in this nonsense called christianity, who have political power and try to force others to accepting the nonsense. I am compelled because it is people who believe in this nonsense called christianity, who hold society back from progressing.

Interesting prospect of "living forever." Do people age in heaven? What other "activities" will there be to kill boredom? Will sex be allowed to have more children? Will they age or stay the same? LOL If there is no sin, do they still have free will? How is it that heaven is sin free while earth is blessed with sin? Is eating an apple in heaven a sin?

Come on C.I., you're too smart to engage in fundamentalist critiques of fundamentalists' nonsense.

I'm glad you brought that up, because that is what I was implying with my question. I highly doubt a person who believes in an after life has ever asked those kinds of questions or pondered what they would do for eternity to entertain themselves with.

Will there be sporting events? Will there be beer? Because I know a lot of theists that will be incredibly disappointed to find out there wont be any football or beer.

But all those things aside for a moment. It is these things that we do in this life that gives us our identity. The things we are interested in doing and the things we occupy our time with, make up who we are. Weather it is productive or not, it doesn't matter. But I really doubt these sorts of mundane things will exist in an after life, and if they do, what makes that existence different than this one? You just exist for ever and that is it? Or is there more to it? I never get a straight answer from theists when I ask them what the after life will be like, all they can say is that they believe there is one.

There are a lot of other consequences as far as an after life would work but I won't go into it here. I am sure if you look up my posts you'll stumble upon me mentioning them.

It is for such reason that people become humanists... Just as in their minds Jesus was man and God, and as God sent prophets to them, so God must value humanity, and for that reason we should also value humanity... We do not need a reason to be good, and by that I mean: Good to each other... Yet, Jesus said as much without ever saying we must look to God for justice... Justice, if we will have it we must deliver to ourselves... Rather than thinking of ourselves as immortal, we should consider humanity immortal and the pain we cause or do not prevent to be eternal, going on and on... Rather than seeking God, we should be willing to be God, to be reasonable, and to use the power we have as a fixture of God's will...

I would check to make sure I wasn't on some goofy internet forum where someone was trying to make a point with a sledge hammer in the guise of a joke.

I like the idea of a sledge hammer for a joke... Until you have been hit a few times anything can seem funny...

Get a good laugh out of it.

What we rarely see any more are those religious people on busy streets preaching to nobody in particular. I think the last one I saw was in downtown Los Angeles. That must've been about 50 years ago.

A man and wife, very healthy and long lived largely because of the wife's insistence on a healthy diet, are killed in an accident and when they get to
Heaven are shown to a beautiful mansion, rolling perfect golf courses, perfect weather, perfect health and then taken to a huge dining room where you can eat anything you want anytime you want with no consequence. The wife squeals with delight at the prospect of this wonderful eternity, but the husband seems really pissed off. "Why are you so angry dear? This truly is paradise". The husband replies "If it hadn't been for you and those ******* bran muffins I could have been here 15 years ago. "

I would not want to live for ever. I doubt you have even considered the consequences of what that would mean. I have and there is absolutely no way that could make it a good thing. The idea itself cheapens this life and renders it worthless. You honestly think that an after life would be similar to this one? It is the struggle itself which gives this life value and meaning. If there is no struggle then it will become boring and have no value.

Those who believe in an after life only consider one thing, that their ego will not die. That is the point they are expressing when they talk about the concept. They don't like the idea that they will cease to exist one day and that scares the hell out of them. So they embrace the idea that they will exist for ever as a way of easing their mind to the inevitable reality that they won't.

I would not want to live for ever.

Really? are you absolutly sure without ever seeing Heaven?

I doubt you have even considered the consequences of what that would mean.

You and I are both humans and think alike a lot of times...I have thought of probably EVERY situation or (consequence) you have too...just because we differ at times does not mean that we don't think alike at many times in a journey called life...I think personally your trying to envision limitless things compared to things that have limits and boundries....which defeats itself...

I have and there is absolutely no way that could make it a good thing.

If you say you have, and you see bad things or hell as we believers call it, then why couldn't the opposite end of the spectrum exhist in Heaven?

The idea itself cheapens this life and renders it worthless.

I disagree, if ANYTHING to me it shows that do good here and be rewarded later, do bad and pay later...making it ESSENTIAL to DO GOOD THINGS HERE ON EARTH!

You honestly think that an after life would be similar to this one?

In some ways yes, and in some ways No, simply put...

It is the struggle itself which gives this life value and meaning.

really? you like to struggle? I don't...

If there is no struggle then it will become boring and have no value.

You feel you NEED to fail in order to succeed? I don't....

there is NO way for me to debate this next comment because it seems you ALREADY have your ideas on HEAVEN and have never seen it or anything of its nature...

If there is no struggle then it will become boring and have no value.

All I can say is I completely disagree...

Those who believe in an after life only consider one thing, that their ego will not die.

Has NOTHING to do with egos...matter of fact the whole concept of being one with everyone and God, shows Unity, and submission to God...2 things a lot of people WILL NEVER EVEN ATTEMPT here on earth...proving it is HARDER and GREATER things exhist in HEAVEN if it exhists....

They don't like the idea that they will cease to exist one day and that scares the hell out of them.

It does not scare the hell out of me if we just rot in the ground...it scares the hell out of me if people deny God and hell exhists if the have to step foot in there...I fear for the non believers who may or may not be condemned, and ones who do malicious acts on earth, I pry ALL will be forgiven...so I in turn am too....

So they embrace the idea that they will exist for ever as a way of easing their mind to the inevitable reality that they won't.

trying to embrace life forever is Harder or a greater feat then trying to except we all die and rot in the ground, so I don't understand what makes you think Grasping an afterlife is in ANYWAY is others easing their minds to the inevitable reality that they won't exhist....sorry the facts don't support that theory, maybe YOU think that way I do not...

Interesting prospect of "living forever." Do people age in heaven? What other "activities" will there be to kill boredom? Will sex be allowed to have more children? Will they age or stay the same? LOL If there is no sin, do they still have free will? How is it that heaven is sin free while earth is blessed with sin? Is eating an apple in heaven a sin?

this post wasn't directed toward me but I will answer as best as I can...


I have seen visions of Heaven and it is magnificent...

People do not age in Heaven, from what I have seen in my visions they are between 21 and 30 yrs of age and all are the same, one would believe...the ugliest in Heaven, is incredibly more beautiful than the MOST beautiful here...

2. I see we have mansions in Heaven in which we live in, the size depends on our actions here...there are countless activities, I have been to things like casinos in dreams, but the gambling aspect is gone, I have seen deceased relatives dancing in Heaven...my grandmother loved to play bingo and she tells me from time to time she plays bingo etc....anything that is good probably exhists, and is enhanced simply put

3. there is NO sex in Heaven, the Bible says they are neither wed in Heaven nor given to be wed in Heaven, from then on we will be like brothers and sisters, and be SO COMPLETE with others and around God that earthy desires will be gone...if there is such a thing as sole mates, then if we have children it is done by immaculate conception and NOT sex...then the children probably are angels in Heaven if it does exhist but I am not so sure that it does....

4. they will age enough (If it exhists but I don't really believe it does) to where the children understand and can be angels in Heaven...

5. Yes, they do have free will, but you would never want to do evil, so your doing good ALL the time always around good, but away from evil things, thoughts and desires, You are free to do the Goodness you desire as you please, but certain times and events such as dinner with God is appointed but because the rightous are disciplined they know and understand these things...

6. Simple one, because people in Heaven have no DESIRE TO DO EVIL things like humans on earth do from time to time...you have free choices but your so perfected your free choices are ALWAYS GOOD things....

7. If apple trees exhist in Heaven, which I am sure they do, then it is not a sin to eat apples...the ONLY way sin exhists now with eating apples is gorging yourself in nothing but apples, but again Heaven is perfected, so therefor, eating one would probably satisfy that one person...

You can tell when he shows you evidence that the claim is true. Performing a miracle would be strong evidence that at least something remarkable was happening. I'm certainly not going to believe it just because some guy says so.

also...2. I see we have mansions in Heaven in which we live in, the size depends on our actions here...there are countless activities, I have been to things like casinos in dreams, but the gambling aspect is gone, I have seen deceased relatives dancing in Heaven...my grandmother loved to play bingo and she tells me from time to time she plays bingo etc....anything that is good probably exhists, and is enhanced simply put

I love to bowl and play sports, and in my visions I am doing these things and better than I am here...I used to love making tree forts with my brother when we were young. And have seen us hanging out together thousands of feet up in trees, with an impeckibale view of Heaven...etc...many more examples....

then why do you disbelieve when people say to do so?

Is that a common sin?

It's just faced with shagging the neighbour's wife or gorging myself on apples, I know what I'd like to do.

You brought up one of the most interesting aspect of life on earth; it's dominated by sex. If god planned it that way, and there is no sex in heaven, that's an inconsistent deviation for the rules of life. What else is he changing from life on earth?

God's plans for heaven is based on different natural laws; that's heaven?

As soon as you suggest God has planned anything your theory has exceeded your proof... It is not so wrong to suggest the existence in some form of God since we see the effect and need a cause; but when we step over that line we are on the downward slope without a brake...

Isn't that all a bit William Blake/ Gnostic. The real/the imagined. Seperation of physical/spiritual life? Or am I talking ****?

My example was just to show those who still believe in Santa that changing natural laws is tantamount to changing all the rules of what they believe; nothing more, nothing less.