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Laden Shot with WHAT???

 
 
Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 06:40 pm

Does anyone know the armament
of the CIA or the Seals who shot Laden ??
Laden was allegedly firing "an automatic weapon" presumably an AK 47.

I heard that he allegedly was shot 2ice
in the left eye; that might suggest the probability
of a .223 caliber M-16 or a 9mm MP5 submachinegun. I dunno.

Has anyone heard ?





David
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 07:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Special forces have a very wide choice of weapons...

IF that photo was genuine, I would suggest he was shot in the left side of the head with a low velocity low calibre bullet at very close range .

That photo has been dropped by most news broadcasters so the opinion seems to be winning out that it is a fake .
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 07:18 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Special forces have a very wide choice of weapons...

IF that photo was genuine, I would suggest he was shot in the left side of the head
with a low velocity low calibre bullet at very close range .

That photo has been dropped by most news broadcasters so the opinion seems to be winning out that it is a fake.
I have not seen any picture.

Obama has not released any (so far as I know).

Maybe I 'll call the Pentagon tomorrow and ask.





David
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 07:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Ref :

http://www.euronews.net/2011/05/02/dead-bin-laden-photo-is-a-fake/
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 07:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
SEALS USE sidearms that are either Sig or H&K .45's.
There have been NO pix released yet . The one being shown is 'Shopped so they are all guesses. This was stated on NPR today that the photoshopped images are fakes.Apparently

He was hit once in the chest and once in the head (according to a CNN report from the SEAL spokesman). IF it was a long weapon or a pistol I dont know but SEALS are specialista in urban warfare and target elimination within buildings.
Im only familiar with the sidearms cause we know a retired SEAL officer who rents a camper lot from us in MAine. I bought my SIg after fioring his at the range, It is a sweet piece. Ive never shot an H & K, so I dont know about their characteristics. Every fuckin auto Ive had(Glock and Browning Hi Power 9mm's) would jam jam jam (except the SIg, it shoots nice with only minimal cleaning between "outings")

The SEALS are the only ones with those nifty full auto 12 gage shotguns. They are complete with "home defense" barrel lengths and a bigass magazine (I think they fire like 15 shot shells slug and 00 shot).
I think that the punkin ball shotgun would leave a wound like they were talking about. (Lotsa damage entry , no exit)
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 07:58 pm
@farmerman,
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SEALS USE sidearms that are either Sig or H&K .45's.
SEALs have a strong preference for revolvers, as they will fire after being in salt water, though that wouldnt be a requirement in this instance . As for their standard firearm, unless ammo swapping is a requirement, they could take anything they like . Some Oz SASR troopers prefer AKs because they never jam . In the CQB, perhaps a colt M4 ?

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nifty full auto 12 gage shotguns
Probably not the preferred weapon given the thick walls and possibility of vests .
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 08:18 pm
The fact that they shot the guy in the head means they assumed he might be wearing body armor.

Of course, if you're going to shoot somebody in the head, you want the most ACCURATE weapon you can come up with and particularly in the case of a pistol, not necessarily the biggest or most evil looking. Some sort of a good quality 22 caliber semiauto with a barrel long enough to sight decently would probably be closest to ideal.


farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 08:42 pm
@gungasnake,
The SEAL coordinator was interviewed and satated that bin LAden was hit twice, once in the chest and once in the temple.
Most side arms dont get used except for these spec forces guys.


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 09:20 pm
@Ionus,
OK, but I bet that thay took REAL ONES, tho.





David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 09:24 pm
@farmerman,
Like I said, that was just my own thoughts, IF I had to use a pistol for some reason...

Most believable reports indicate the seal team was using M4s which is probably what BinLaden was shot with. My understanding of an M4 is it's basically a high quality M16 with a fast twist barrel which can shoot 80-gr bullets instead of the normal 55s.

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:29 pm
@gungasnake,
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The fact that they shot the guy in the head means they assumed he might be wearing body armor.


He was using some woman as a Shield by some reports.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:42 pm
@BillRM,
The woman was shot and then Osama was shot. The shooter is probably not losing any sleep over it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 07:35 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
The SEAL coordinator was interviewed and satated that bin LAden
was hit twice, once in the chest and once in the temple.
Most side arms dont get used except for these spec forces guys.
That must have been an interesting intervu; (candidate for Pulitzer Prize????)
I wish that I had seen it.

That was good marksmanship, btw.
Headshots can be tricky.
Sometimes guys move their heads; (especially in firefights).

Laden might have been uncooperative.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 07:44 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
The fact that they shot the guy in the head
means they assumed he might be wearing body armor.
Do we know that it was AIMED ?
Firefights can be fluid, dynamic situations,
with a lot of rounds moving in the general direction of the target.





gungasnake wrote:
Of course, if you're going to shoot somebody in the head, you want the most ACCURATE weapon you can come up with and particularly in the case of a pistol, not necessarily the biggest or most evil looking. Some sort of a good quality 22 caliber semiauto with a barrel long enough to sight decently would probably be closest to ideal.
From my experience, I think that a .22 revolver is more mechanically reliable than an automatic.
That is not a good time to have a jam.





David
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 07:45 am
a bullet, i think
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 08:32 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
He was using some woman as a Shield by some reports.


I think that story is a mix up.

Osama bin Laden 'was not armed and did not use wife as human shield

Osama bin Laden did not use one of his four wives as a human shield in his dying moments, contrary to earlier reports, as White House officials began to "clarify" early accounts of Monday's commando raids by US special forces.

US officials had claimed that Osama Bin Laden had been "firing behind" his wife when he was shot through the eye by a US Navy Seal, painting a powerful image of the world's most wanted man cowering behind a defenceless woman.

In the original account of the firefight, John Brennan, a US counter-terrorism official briefing the media, said "There was family at that compound, and there was a female who was, in fact, in the line of fire that reportedly was used as a shield to shield Osama from the incoming fire".

However US officials have now conceded that Bin Laden was not armed during the assault, did not fire back and that his wife was only injured in the assault, most likely in the crossfire, according to unnamed officials quoted by the US website Politico.

"A different guy's wife was killed", said the website, quoting an unnamed official who had briefed US television media, with the official adding that Bin Laden's wife was "injured not killed", having been shot in the calf.

"Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," said the US official. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed." The website also quoted another official saying "I'm not aware of him [bin Laden] having a weapon."
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 08:37 am
@revelette,
So a mass murder who love to be shown in tapes with weapons and firing weapons did not have a firearm in reach in his private living area??

Hell I have guns that I could reach in such a situation so the idea that he was not arm during this firefight made no sense at all.
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 08:50 am
@BillRM,
I don't really know, I am trying to follow the link that was in the article I left in my previous post, but I haven't been able to figure out which article in politico they are referencing.

this article says
Quote:
“He [bin Laden] was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in. And whether or not he got off any rounds, I quite frankly don’t know,” Brennan said.

At a Pentagon briefing earlier in the day, a senior defense official said bin Laden used a woman as a human shield so he could fire shots. “He was firing behind her,” the official said.

In another background briefing early Monday morning, a senior administration official also said bin Laden put up a fight. “He did resist the assault force. And he was killed in a firefight,” the official said.

However, during a background, off-camera briefing for television reporters later Monday, a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed, apparently by the U.S. raid team.

Another White House official familiar with the TV briefing confirmed the change to POLITICO, adding, “I’m not aware of him having a weapon.”

“The bottom line is the team that entered that room was met with resistance and took appropriate action,” said a third American


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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:39 am
Quote:
In another discrepancy, Brennan said during his on-the-record briefing that bin Laden’s son Khalid was killed in the attack. However, the official White House transcript had the counterterrorism adviser saying it was another son, Hamza, who perished in the raid.

The White House didn’t offer a reason for any of the changes. However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid.
“I wasn’t there,” he said.

Thay had fotografers (videografers) at the scene??????
WHEN will we be shown their footage ???????
That is public property, taken at public expense from tax funds.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:41 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
So a mass murder who love to be shown in tapes with weapons and firing weapons did not have a firearm in reach in his private living area??

Hell I have guns that I could reach in such a situation so the idea that he was not arm during this firefight made no sense at all.
AGREED.





David
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