Laden Shot with WHAT???

...But Omar was becoming increasingly disillusioned with his father's obsession with Jihad. Those views were compounded by the discovery, aged 17, that bin Laden's soldiers were using his pet puppies to test out chemical and biological weapons at the Kandahar training camps.

He recalls: 'Several of the new soldiers, young men who had been born without sensitivity, enjoyed describing the death throes of those cute little animals. They insisted on telling me of their trembling terror, sitting tied in a cage, suffering throughout the ordeal.

To get high rifle velocities, only a long barrel is long enough.

The difference between "a .223 round going fast enough to explode" and "a .223 round not going fast enough to explode" is substantial.

Oralloy wrote:

To get high rifle velocities, only a long barrel is long enough.

Not true..

it is far more engineered than that....the bullet expends into the rifling, the number of turns it has to go through slows it down, it gets hot, it depends on the burn rate of the gunpowder, the rear surface area of the bullet, how far along the cocking mechanism takes its gas off, the bleed of excess gases near or a part of the cocking mechanism...just for starters.

Oralloy wrote:

The difference between "a .223 round going fast enough to explode" and "a .223 round not going fast enough to explode" is substantial.

But all fit within the manufacturers criteria for going fast enough.

A longer barrel will not make a difference.

How come no short-barreled weapon produces the same high velocities produced by long rifle barrels?

None of that changes the fact that centerfire rifles attain their higher velocities by having slow-burning powder behind the bullet while it travels down a long barrel.

Oralloy wrote:

How come no short-barreled weapon produces the same high velocities produced by long rifle barrels?

You have examples ?

Oralloy wrote:

None of that changes the fact that centerfire rifles attain their higher velocities by having slow-burning powder behind the bullet while it travels down a long barrel.

Really ??

So things like .......how far along the cocking mechanism takes its gas off, the bleed of excess gases near or as a part of the cocking mechanism......dont change the speed of the bullet, it is only the barrel length that changes the speed ?

Accelerating the bullet is done by expanding burning gases, once past the bleed off point, there is no acceleration . The rest of the barrel is for accuracy only .

quit talking about taking gas off for the cocking mechanism.

Of short-barreled guns that produce the same velocity as a long barreled rifle?

Those others may have an impact on speed

how far along is the point where there is no more acceleration?

Oralloy wrote:

Of short-barreled guns that produce the same velocity as a long barreled rifle?

No, of the difference in muzzle velocity between that of an M 16 to an M 4 (long barrel versus short barrel).

Take the FN SLR for example....all gas was bled about half way along the barrel, with some of it used to recock the rifle....but there was no further acceleration of the bullet from that point on.

Why would it bleed of all the gas instead of just what was required to cycle the action?

Agree. I have a .38 S&W J Frame that is incredibly accurate. Not so big on MV.

In some hostage situations, they use low powered weapons so they dont get a bullet going through a bad guy and hitting a good guy...even after a ricochet high powered rounds leave a nasty mark....and people have been wounded by flying bone.....it all depends on whether there are hostages and if the baddies are wearing vests, etc...

I had hear correctly or not that a lot of special forces still prefer the old 1911 colt model A 45 with it nice heavy and slow round for a sidearm.

Personally I could care less
what Bin Laden was shot with, but then I guess you got to be into that kind of thing.

Does anyone know the armament
of the CIA or the Seals who shot Laden ??
Laden was allegedly firing "an automatic weapon" presumably an AK 47.

I heard that he allegedly was shot 2ice
in the left eye; that might suggest the probability
of a .223 caliber M-16 or a 9mm MP5 submachinegun. I dunno.

Has anyone heard ?





David

Admiral Dennis Blair (formerly DNI) said it was a 7.62 mm bullet. There was a large exit wound on the back of Bin Laden's skull - well, there would be.

Airweight Chief's Special. I have the same basic frame in all steel with what they call a 3" square bbl.
It isn't anywhere close to square, but the heavy barrel does improve balance. It is equally accurate.

Hydroshocks. No longer sure what brand puts them out presently.