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A Significant Event In American Politics

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:34 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Yep, she played into that stupidity too.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:37 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
You deserve the personal crap for calling Mr. Obama "boy," and you call him that because you are obviously racist. That is a discussion of the topic because this so-called event is only significant to Americans who hate him for racist reasons.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:41 am
I think only in America would this be a big deal, were people tend to be allergic to showing identity papers. There are a bunch of people running around saying that this was a sad day for America, that Obama had to stoop to showing his papers. No, while I dont get why his citizenship has been question if it is then he has a duty to present the document. The only part that is an embarrassment is that it took Obama so long to do it.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Except that he "did it" in every meaningful way in 2008.

The birth certificate presented then was completely official. It's the one we use to get a passport or whatever. It's illegal to share the "long form" certificate; he got a waiver eventually since the perfectly official birth certificate already presented wasn't putting this to bed. Obviously, this isn't putting anything to bed either, but it makes the birthers who persist look that much more crazy.

A selection of birther reactions here:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/after-birthers_how_conspiracy_theorists_reacted_to_obamas_birth_certificate.php
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:55 am
@sozobe,
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Except that he "did it" in every meaningful way in 2008.
What the state presented in 08 was a document where they vouch for a set of facts, it was not the actual birth document. I dont see why that was not enough, but if people want to see the actual document that is their right.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:00 am
@hawkeye10,
No, it was the same kind of birth certificate that you present for passports or whatever.

This is what was released in 2008:

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

politfact article about it at the time:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Money quote:

Quote:
And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:00 am
@hawkeye10,
How is it their right? Where in the constitution does it say that a candidate must prove his birth to the satisfaction of every trailer-trash whiner in the country?
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:10 am
@sozobe,
She was the first one who brought it up. She brought it up during the primary in 2008. It was part of her campaign strategy to discredit BO.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:12 am
@Setanta,
You're so full of crap. I'm half Chippewa and white and two of my sisters are married to black men with many nieces and nephews. Your ignorant. I called him a boy because he's not man enough to sit in the Oval Office. How you interpret that to race is the product of your sick racist mind.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:13 am
@Setanta,
Hillary is a trailer trash whiner? Gee, who knew.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:14 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
You can make all the claims you want--referring to a black man as "boy" is an intentional racist slur which they've endured for a hundred and fifty years. You write "Your ignorant" . . . and i'll bet you don't even see the irony there.

You can hurl all the slurs at Mr. Obama, or at me, that you want . . . it won't change your racist attitude.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:16 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Yes. I know. I'm not sure if she was the very first one but she attempted to make political hay of it. And that was one small part of why I did NOT support her in her attempt to win the Democratic nomination.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:21 am
NOBODY in 1961 ever would have written "African" for "Race" on any sort of an official document. 'Negro" is possible, "African American" is (barely) possible, "Aframerican" is posible, but "African" is not possible. This is total BS.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:24 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel, addressing GungasnaKKKe, wrote:

Don't be so gullible

Too late.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:27 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

NOBODY in 1961 ever would have written "African" for "Race" on any sort of an official document. 'Negro" is possible, "African American" is (barely) possible, "Aframerican" is posible, but "African" is not possible. This is total BS.
As I recall Pop's was not an American, so I have no trouble believing that someone in 1961 would write "African"...The man was an African after all, though it is more a citizenship than a race. I am a "North American" though few would want to put it that way. How many black men from Africa do you think this clerk in Hawaii had written birth certificates for by 1961? I am betting this was the very first, so she (I assume she) put down something that worked, and "African" was the truth, though not the best descriptive.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:32 am
@sozobe,
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No, it was the same kind of birth certificate that you present for passports or whatever.

This is what was released in 2008:
Like I said, that is a computer generated vouching for the facts, it is not the actual document. This talk about one being the "short form" and one being the "long form" is a misrepresentation of the facts, as these two documents, while they talk about the same set of facts, are not at all the same thing.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:36 am
Pixels aren't even the same size where the number was faked:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/icebear46/obunga_pixels.gif

sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:36 am
@hawkeye10,
This is what you said before:

hawkeye10 wrote:
I think only in America would this be a big deal, were people tend to be allergic to showing identity papers. There are a bunch of people running around saying that this was a sad day for America, that Obama had to stoop to showing his papers. No, while I dont get why his citizenship has been question if it is then he has a duty to present the document. The only part that is an embarrassment is that it took Obama so long to do it.


What he released in 2008 is "his papers." That's what you and I have -- if you weren't born in Hawaii it probably looks different, but it's a variation of the exact same thing.

Quote:
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

If you wanted to get your own long form -- the "actual document"-- to give to someone else or release to the public, you couldn't. You would have to submit a request for a waiver, which may or may not be granted.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:39 am
@gungasnake,
So are you going to demand that the state make the actual certificate available to experts to authenticate? I think you birthers are nuts, but so long as someone pays the state for their costs this is your right.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:43 am
If you scan a document, the whole document will be made up of identical sized pixels... If this document was real, it would be made up of identical sized pixals...
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