31
   

Rovers on Mars

 
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 12:15 am
The first picks from the RAT hole drilled by Opportunity are below. It looks like at least two of the spherules have been sliced open by the drill.

One Spherule has striations inside it (or perhaps *on* it due to the drilling process itself), but the other shows no sign of variation in the internal structure at all. It's completely bland. The striations on the leftmost spherule do not appear to match the rotation angle of the RAT, which might indicate that they are part of the structure of the spherule, unless the spherule has shifted during the process, which also seems like a possibility.

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/030/1M130859762EFF0454P2959M2M1.JPG
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 07:38 am
The striation on the spherical on the right a definitely mechanical. The soil looks like mud that has dried out to me. I've excavated in material like that.
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 08:01 am
Acquiunk wrote:
The striation on the spherical on the right a definitely mechanical. The soil looks like mud that has dried out to me. I've excavated in material like that.


I agree that the striation on the spherule on the [left] is mechanical in origin. The sweep of the mark matches the curve of the RAT, even though it's not aligned with the main hole. I think the spherule has been dislodged by the activity, but not yet fallen out of the hole.

It's interesting that the spherules don't seem to have an internal structure. If they formed by accretion, then you would expect to see some evidence of banding. I'm still thinking that the spherules are tektites, since tektites probably don't have much internal structure either (due to the way they are formed).
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 11:05 am
Ok, I found it... here's that image of a spherule which seems to be melted onto another spherule (two different sizes).

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/028/1M130672440EFF0454P2933M2M1.JPG
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 11:08 am
And just for a bit of historical reference, here's that micro image from that Mars Meteorite they found a few years back. Is it my imagination, or is there a vague similarity of form between the micrograph and the close up images of the rockface?

http://www.xtl-ak.com/meteorites_mars/s96-12609.jpg
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Feb, 2004 11:23 am
That may or may not be two sphericals welded together it simple could be a hot liquid object that cooled differentially. What is more interesting to me is that the surface has pitting. That occurs when a hot liquid material, like glass is cooled rapidly in the presence of another liquid, like water, and pockets of steam form on the surface.
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 08:36 am
More rock abrasions, more blueberries sliced in half...

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/034/1M131212854EFF0500P2959M2M1.JPG
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 08:47 am
The spherical in the lower left (its right) corner is quartered. What ever it is made of it is strong enough to stand up to abrasion and not crumble.
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 11:22 am
Acquiunk wrote:
The spherical in the lower left (its right) corner is quartered. What ever it is made of it is strong enough to stand up to abrasion and not crumble.


Nice catch Acq, I didn't even see that before.
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 12:08 pm
they need a spray bottle to wash off all the dust and crap from the cut face.
Am i seeing this correctly/ the drilling is about perpendicular to the apparent "bedding" correct?
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 12:39 pm
That would be my guess. Also the sphericals, if I am reading the abrasion marks correctly. do not seem to be well seated in the matrix. but rotate when the are scoured. It you look at the upper right hand corner of the photo there is a depression left by one that popped out. (it is centered just to the left of the two in place). Also I do not get the impression that these sphericals dropped in at an great villosity. It looks to me as if they were on the surface and the matrix accumulated around them. This and the fact the one in a photo rosborne posted earlier has what looks to me to be steam pitting suggests that they fell into something (like a liquid) that slowed their speed and they settled on the surface.
0 Replies
 
Relative
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 12:50 pm
The spherules do not necessarily move during grinding - see

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/rover-images/feb-25-2004/captions/image-2.html
0 Replies
 
Relative
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 12:56 pm
Anyone noticed that Spirit takes around 40 or so images of test color target every day? I wonder why are they doing that - target practicing or what ?
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 01:17 pm
Relative wrote:
The spherules do not necessarily move during grinding - see


I'm not certain what your point is, the text that accompanies the photo states the opposite.

"The scrapes on the bottom right blueberry appear to be caused by the
fact that the berry got dislodged slightly and its surface was
scraped with the grinding pad."
0 Replies
 
Relative
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 01:35 pm
Hmm, looks like my speed while surfin' over that was a bit too great Smile

I thought at first that the particular sphere had rotated in place - that is before I found the article.

Thanx, Tut
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 04:01 pm
Are we finally gonna hear from the experts...

NASA will hold a press conference Tuesday to announce "significant findings" about water on Mars based on evidence from its Opportunity Mars rover.


["We didn't want to sit on this information for a long time," NASA spokesperson Don Savage said, adding that the scientists felt they "had gotten the information they needed."

The panel assembled for the press conference includes top brass and a cast of important science characters.

Speakers will include Ed Weiler, Associate Administrator for NASA's Office of Space Science, Jim Garvin, Lead Scientist for Mars and the Moon, Cornell University's Steve Squyres, the Mars Exploration Rover (MER) Principal Investigator, and MIT geologist John Grotzinger, among others.

The press conference will take place at 2 p.m. ET and will be carried live on NASA television.]
0 Replies
 
rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 04:18 pm
The only color pic of the dirt at Miridiani Planum that I can find:

http://www.space.com/images/h_charlie_flats_02.jpg

Some of the little spherules appear to be light colored, and others appear to be dark colored.

Could the discoloration be associated with age? Or is it composition? If they are Tektites, they could be from different impacts in that area over a long period of time.
0 Replies
 
satt fs
 
  1  
Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 05:14 pm
It is reported that the Mars atmosphere contains hydrogen peroxide. (Was Mars being oxidized?)
0 Replies
 
Acquiunk
 
  1  
Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 05:20 pm
My bet is that they are going to announce that there is significant evidence to support a hypothesis of free standing water at one time on Mars but they are going to back away from an absolute statement. IMOH the evidences suggest free standing water, period.
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 07:14 pm
I would venture a guess that it was even moving. I saw today at someones office that theyve released some 3D
pictures, anybody see the link? I forgot to ask to be sent the foto.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Propeller in Mars image - Discussion by gungasnake
EEEK! BEWARE Martian Spiders!! - Discussion by tsarstepan
Successful New Landing on Mars - Discussion by edgarblythe
Life on Mars - Discussion by gungasnake
NASA's Next Steps in the Journey to Mars - Discussion by OregonFlyBy
LIVELY MARS - Discussion by Setanta
NASA image: clear/obvious pyramid - Discussion by gungasnake
Foundations of Mars - Discussion by gungasnake
Mars bunker and sphinx - Discussion by gungasnake
India's Mars Orbiter Spacecraft - Discussion by Brandon9000
 
  1. Forums
  2. » Rovers on Mars
  3. » Page 14
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 11/24/2024 at 11:34:33