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Rovers on Mars

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2004 07:26 pm
The low angle cross bedding that rosborne showed us a day or so ago has, if it can be verified by closer inspection and computer imaging, the potential for being a really important find cuz low angle cross bedding is an indicator and , if the pebble sizes can be measured, a velocity tool for hydraulics. Not only a body of water , but a moving stream.

Im leaning more to ash falls into water(tuff) and the formation of small chert(silica and other cations in the lattice ) concretions that are more indicative of thin sed layers overlying a basement rock of earlier formation.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2004 08:27 pm
Flaky "Mimi", the image of which was taken by the Spirit rover, seems similar to rocks often found in old volcano areas on the Earth.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/autowirestory/AP/NY10902140445.jpeg
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 12:53 pm
Look, Dirt. (A picture only a geologist could love Smile )

This is a picture of the dirt in the trench recently dug by the wheel of Opportunity Rover. Hopefully the Spectrometer results will be more revealing.


http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/024/1M130314030EFF0400P2939M2M1.JPG
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 12:55 pm
A picture of the photographer Smile

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/024/1F130314566EDN0400P1111L0M1.JPG
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2004 09:22 pm
They say rover may be rolling in mud. Whatever it is is sticking to the wheels.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2004 08:43 am
The Spherules at Meridiani Planum are buried in the dirt as well as on the surface, and the ones that are buried have a glossy aspect to them, in contrast to the exposed ones which seem to be more dull (probably weathered).

http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040219a/08-AY-3-shiny-B026R1_br.jpg

I'm still guessing Tektites. With all the impact craters on Mars, the whole planet must be rolling in tektites Smile
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2004 08:54 am
For what it is worth, that looks like mud to me.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2004 10:02 am
Acquiunk wrote:
For what it is worth, that looks like mud to me.


Mud implies water, and that would be spectacular. So I hope you're right Smile
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2004 10:19 am
Are we ever going to see "true color" pictures of those spherules? Is the microscopic imager capable of taking color images, or is it just the Pan-Cam which can do color?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2004 05:55 pm
After soil studies, Opportunity would move to the bedrock outcrop next day or later. I am expecting studies of the bedrock, which is more intriguing for me.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 03:43 pm
I've been trying to remember where I've seen this "smoothness" in the rock face before. It reminded me of something I've seen before, and now I remember; many of the rock formations I've seen in caves have this "melted" look to them. But none that I remember have this level of granularity in the surface.

It's a very odd combination of attributes: Polished looking, but with small granularity and lots of crevases in the surface. These "slices" and "convolutions" and "holes" in the rockface don't make any sense to me. I've never seen an analogous structure before.


http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/029/1M130761192EFF0454P2933M2M1.JPG
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 03:45 pm
And here's a little document on Metamorphic rock in case anyone is interested: http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/bperry/ROCKS.htm

http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/bperry/biggneiss1.JPG
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 04:26 pm
It is an interesting and educational link.
However metamorphic rocks are formed when the original rocks are buried deep underground often with heat nearby. I hardly think rocks seen through cameras on the two rovers on Mars can be metamorphic.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 04:32 pm
satt_focusable wrote:
However metamorphic rocks are formed when the original rocks are buried deep underground often with heat nearby. I hardly think rocks seen through cameras on the two rovers on Mars can be metamorphic.


Why do you think they can't be metamorphic?

Do we know enough yet to conclude that they didn't form under such conditions?

Don't get me wrong, I hope they are sedimentary too, but it's clear from the Gneiss in the image above that metamorphic rock can have layered banding which appears similar to sedimentary.

All in all, I find the Mars images perplexing. They don't seem to fit any consistent pattern of formation which we've seen before. And I'm not complaining or anything, after all, we did go to Mars to discover new things, and this really great stuff Smile
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 05:08 pm
Why I hardly think those rocks now found on Mars are metamorphic?
Usually metamorphic rocks on Earth are found in areas more complicated such as mountaineous regions resulted through tectonic motion of the crust. The areas where the two rovers have landed were chosen to be those as plain as possible.
(Of course Mars is different from Earth, and it is not wrong to have knowledge about metamorphic rocks.)
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 05:35 pm
I think that's Janet Jackson's boob at left in Rosborne's 4:43 post 574580 above.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 05:40 pm
I said one saw what one wanted to see here.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 06:02 pm
Boy, Ive missed some new pics. The pic that rosborne posted last is very unusual. On earth , we have minerals in rocks that are chemically weathered and then replaced by a later mineral. Those empty plates in the rock surface and the shiny surfaces looks like that to me. They call these "pseudomorphs" One type of mineral precipitates in the place of another. Its either that or , and I dont say thsi with any conviction, it could be fossil traces called ichnofossils, which are the left over holes from shell casts that have weathered out.

The only metamorphics that seem probable is 'shock /dynamic metamorphism" wherein a meteor hits the original crust and shifts the whole crystal structure of the rock mass and shocks it all into another xl system. its possible but I dont see any indicators , like a strong banding of color . In this outcrop the banding appears to be differential weathering as in rock layers withh differing erosion or solubility strengths.

But it does look like fossil shell casts, wouldnt that be something? if you look carefully at the "cast" on the bottom right of rosbornes pic, it looks like a Tube, worms build tubes. Of course it could be tracks from AA lava, but Ive never seen a white lava
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 06:09 pm
The spherical in Rosborne's pic has a small nob. Those spurs sometimes occur when a hot liquid material is dropped into water.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2004 06:31 pm
Acquiunk wrote:
The spherical in Rosborne's pic has a small nob. Those spurs sometimes occur when a hot liquid material is dropped into water.


They also occur in tektites which form in the air.

In another image (which I haven't posted yet), one of the spherules appears to have a smaller spherule welded into it, as though they merged during formation. I'll try to find the pic. ... I can't find it. Maybe I imagined it... bummer, I hate it when that happens.

Farmerman, even before I read your post I was googling for images of fossil reef remnants (still digging into my memory to find anything which looks like those images). Smile Along the way, I ran into this: http://www.cretaceousfossils.com/plants/porocystis_globularis.htm

http://www.iftx.com/oct03.jpg
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