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Demographer: US has 4 million adults who identify as gay

 
 
Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 12:27 pm
Demographer: US has 4M adults who identify as gay
SAN FRANCISCO (AP)
4/8/11

How many gay men and lesbians are there in the United States? Gary Gates has an idea but acknowledges pinpointing a solid figure remains an elusive task.

Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles. For the institute's 10th anniversary this week, he took a scholarly stab at answering the question that has been debated, avoided, parsed and proven both insoluble and political since pioneering sex researcher Alfred Kinsey said in the 1940s that 10 percent of the men he surveyed were "predominantly homosexual."

Gates' best estimate, derived from five studies that have asked subjects about their sexual orientation, is that the nation has about 4 million adults who identify as being gay or lesbian, representing 1.7 percent of the 18-and-over population.

That's a much lower figure than the 3 to 5 percent that has been the conventional wisdom in the last two decades, based on other isolated studies and attempts to discredit Kinsey.

One reason, according to Gates, is that until recently, few surveys tried to differentiate respondents who identified as gay or lesbian from those who sometimes engaged in homosexual acts or were attracted to people of the same sex. All were lumped into the gay category.

"One of the major questions, when you think about how many (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people are there, is what do you mean by LGBT?" he said. "This shows there are pretty big differences between people who use the terms to label themselves versus sexual behavior or attraction."

Gates found, for example, that another 1.8 percent of the adult population, or a little more than 4 million Americans, identifies as bisexual, according to his research brief published Thursday by the Williams Institute.

He also estimated that 19 million people, or 8.2 percent of the population, have engaged in sex with a partner of the same sex. That includes all groups, such as gays, bisexuals and heterosexuals who have experimented with same-sex behavior.

Another two studies, conducted by state agencies in California and Massachusetts, yielded what Gates thinks is the first credible estimate of the nation's transgender population. He puts it at about 700,000 adults, or 0.3 percent of the population.

Gates is the first to admit his figures are imprecise.

But because so few national population surveys have asked about sexual orientation and the ones that have were not conducted consistently over time, the data on which to base a firm conclusion does not exist, he said.

"Yes, this is a credible estimate, but I'm fine to have a debate with someone about whether I'm right or wrong," he said. "The academic side of me says everything comes with caveats. But there is a level of power associated with having a number that can move dialogues along and hopefully move things forward."

Government agencies and private researchers have been reluctant in the past to include questions about sexual orientation and gender identity in their surveys, deciding the issue was not worthy of inquiry or assuming participants would be reluctant to answer honestly.

Until recently, gay rights activists who feared that it would be used to discriminate against or to identify individuals, during the AIDS crisis, for example, also opposed divulging such information.

Brad Sears, the Williams Institute's executive director, recalled Gates' 2006 estimate, which was drawn from Census data on same-sex households and put the nation's lesbian, gay and bisexual population at about 8.8 million. That news upset some gay people who found comfort in Kinsey's 1-in-10 number, Sears said.

"There are a lot of great folks for whom that number may have personally been important in their coming-out process," Sears said. "It may be hard to let go. But with other populations of a similar size of 2 to 4 percent, we don't question whether there are too many or too few."

Peter Sprigg, senior fellow for policy studies with the conservative Family Research Center, welcomed Gates' findings as further repudiation of the Kinsey 1-in-10 estimate.

Sprigg also was intrigued by the relatively high portion of bisexual people tallied by Gates.

"I see this as somewhat of a problem for the gay political movement," Sprigg said. "It undermines the idea that being born homosexual is an immutable characteristic that can't be changed."

Increasingly, both activists and the federal government during the Obama administration have concluded that the advantages of having reliable information about sexual minorities far outweighed any risks.

Last year, Gates advised the Census bureau in its campaign to persuade same-sex couples to identify themselves as such in the once-a-decade national population count. The bureau is now considering whether to ask individuals about their sexual orientations in the ongoing American Community Survey produced in between each Census.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services last week announced it was working to increase the number of federally funded health and demographic surveys that collect and report sexual orientation and gender identity data.

AP National Writer David Crary in New York contributed to this report.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 12:59 pm
that can't be right, 13 million people watched the Academy Awards, and 20 million +/- watch Dancing with the Stars and American Idol, and i didn't even look up the numbers for Glee

so the number has to be way higher
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 10:27 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Very interesting - particularly the fact that there as many people who identify as bi-sexuals as there are those who identify as gay.

I don't think I agree, though with the expressed opinion that

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"It undermines the idea that being born homosexual is an immutable characteristic that can't be changed."


A bi-sexual is quite different from a homosexual.

I'm sure that bi-sexual's would describe themselves in far more positive terms (including "free-minded," and "unencumbered."), but I tend to think of them as hedonistic libertines.

I'm certainly prepared to believe that there are about 4 million people hard-wired at birth to be attracted to their own sex.

Since they are less than 2% of the population though you have to wonder how they have managed to achieve such political influence.

Disabled Americans represent a much higher percentage of the population, and while they obviously carry some political clout, their plight is rarely held so close to the heart of liberals as is that of homosexuals.

In the same vein, Asian-Americans represent about 5% of the US population, and yet they (as a group) don't have a tenth of the political influence of gays.

If there are only 4 million homosexual adults in the US it certainly takes some steam out of the importance of same sex marriages - no matter which side of the fence you find yourself.




maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 10:47 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
"It undermines the idea that being born homosexual is an immutable characteristic that can't be changed."


Finn, why didn't you attribute this quote you highlighted. It was Peter Sprigg, senior fellow for policy studies with the conservative Family Research Center.

I often wonder whether bigotry is an immutable characteristics. Or is it OK to think of bigots as hedonistic libertines.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 11:00 pm
@maxdancona,
Sorry Ms Holmes but your deductive reasoning has failed you.

I didn't attribute it because it came directly from the text posted by BBB and anyone who read the posting should know that.

I couldn't care less what the politics of Mr. Sprigg are. He rendered an opinion with which I disagree, and I expressed that disagreement.

It's perfectly OK to think of bigots as hedonistic libertines. It would make no sense to do so, but then much of what you think makes no sense.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 01:14 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
that can't be right, 13 million people watched the Academy Awards, and 20 million +/- watch Dancing with the Stars and American Idol, and i didn't even look up the numbers for Glee

so the number has to be way higher
Woud it have been different
if u 'd looked up the numbers for Glee ???????
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:11 am
So did no one think to ask the question before, or was it rather that science was pressured to not ask the question because it got in the way of the agenda from some powerful political pressure groups? I think we know the answer..
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 05:59 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Demographer: US has 4M adults who identify as gay
SAN FRANCISCO (AP)
4/8/11

How many gay men and lesbians are there in the United States? Gary Gates has an idea but acknowledges pinpointing a solid figure remains an elusive task.

Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles. For the institute's 10th anniversary this week, he took a scholarly stab at answering the question that has been debated, avoided, parsed and proven both insoluble and political since pioneering sex researcher Alfred Kinsey said in the 1940s that 10 percent of the men he surveyed were "predominantly homosexual."

Gates' best estimate, derived from five studies that have asked subjects about their sexual orientation, is that the nation has about 4 million adults who identify as being gay or lesbian, representing 1.7 percent of the 18-and-over population.
Is there a logical reason to omit reference to people below that age ??

Shoud thay be singled out and SEPARATED, for some reason ?





David
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 06:12 am
Quote:
Is there a logical reason to omit reference to people below that age ??
Shoud thay be singled out and SEPARATED, for some reason ?


Some kids dont yet necessarily Identify as being gay bi or hetrosexual.
Some are unsure or afraid to admit they feel same sex attracted. Some change their minds.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 06:13 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
"It undermines the idea that being born homosexual is an immutable characteristic that can't be changed."
maxdancona wrote:
I often wonder whether bigotry is an immutable characteristics.
Or is it OK to think of bigots as hedonistic libertines.
I consider myself to be a hedonistic libertine (when I have enuf energy for it).
When I don't, its largely theoretical.

The etymological history of word: "bigot" purports to
descend from a recalcitrant Viking prisoner who REFUSED
to kiss the foot of the King of England. (Something like: "not ME, bi Gott!); hence, a man of strong conviction,
who stands up for what he believes, whether popular or not.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 06:21 am
@dadpad,
David wrote:
Is there a logical reason to omit reference to people below that age ??
Shoud thay be singled out and SEPARATED, for some reason ?
dadpad wrote:
Some kids dont yet necessarily Identify as being gay bi or hetrosexual.
Some are unsure or afraid to admit they feel same sex attracted. Some change their minds.
Yeah, but does that not apply equally to the entire population,
other than those to whom sexuality with their own gender
is personally abhorrent ?





David
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 07:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I consider myself to be a hedonistic libertine (when I have enuf energy for it).


Yeah, but there aren't 4 million adults who identify as you.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 07:25 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
I consider myself to be a hedonistic libertine (when I have enuf energy for it).


Yeah, but there aren't 4 million adults who identify as you.
That 's probably true.
I 've never counted them.





David
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 07:33 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Don't worry David, I have counted all of you.

There is only one.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 12:23 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Quote:
a scholarly stab at answering the question that has been debated, avoided, parsed and proven both insoluble and political since pioneering sex researcher Alfred Kinsey said in the 1940s that 10 percent of the men he surveyed were "predominantly homosexual."
which I'm guessing means no one has a clue how many adults identify as gay let alone how many gay adults there actually are. How does one count "predominately homosexual"? Kinsey estimated gay men, does that imply gay women are not counted/countable?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Don't worry David, I have counted all of you.

There is only one.
Thank u.





David
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