military action against Libya

How come a Brit in Ozzieland? Got kicked out?

The US isn't all that oil rich but they had a large hand in inventing Al Qaeda, supporting them, nurturing them, looks like they may well have had a working relationship right up to 9-11.

There is nothing wrong with wanting your society to avoid brutalizing people inside and out; but there will always be those who deny it, or justify it...

Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden,
and the Taliban

by Phil Gasper

The U.S. war on Afghanistan is a brutal attack on a country that has already been almost destroyed by more than 20 years of foreign invasion and civil war.' The Soviet occupation, which lasted from 1979 to 1989, left more than a million people dead. Millions still live in refugee camps More than 500,000 orphans are disabled. Ten million land mines still litter the country, killing an average of 90 people per month. At 43 years, life expectancy in Afghanistan is on average 17 years lower than that for people in other developing countries. The countryside is devastated and is currently experiencing a severe drought, with 7.5 million people threatened with starvation. The death and destruction wrought by the U.S. bombing campaign-and the cut off of food aid deliveries it has caused-have already killed hundreds and produced thousands more refugees scrambling to escape into Pakistan.

But not only is Washington attacking one of the poorest countries in the world, past U.S. government actions are in no small part responsible for the current situation in Afghanistan. The Bush administration claims to be targeting Osama bin Laden, who it says masterminded the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (even though it has offered no concrete evidence to back up this accusation), and Afghanistan's Taliban government, which is sheltering him. But as the Economist magazine noted soon after September 11, " [U.S.] policies in Afghanistan a decade and more ago helped to create both Osama bin Laden and the fundamentalist Taliban regime that shelters him." An examination of this history will reveal the extent to which U.S. foreign policy is based on hypocrisy, realpolitik, and the short-term pursuit of narrow interests.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html

The objective of the intervention, as spelled out by Brezinski, was to trap the Soviets in a long and costly war designed to drain their resources, just as Vietnam had bled the United States. The high level of civilian casualties that this would certainly entail was considered but set aside. According to one senior official, "The question here was whether it was morally acceptable that, in order to keep the Soviets off balance, which was the reason for the operation, it was permissible to use other lives for our geopolitical interests." Carter's CIA director Stansfield Turner answered the question: "I decided I could live with that." According to Representative Charles Wilson, a Texas Democrat,

There were 58,000 dead in Vietnam and we owe the Russians one.... I have a slight obsession with it, because of Vietnam. I thought the Soviets ought to get a dose of it.... I've been of the opinion that this money was better spent to hurt our adversaries than other money in the Defense Department budget.

[Ibid]

Here are the guys that you make out to be heroes

Taliban hang 7-year-old boy accused of being a spy

Suicide bomber kills 40 at Afghanistan wedding
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-10/news/27066837_1_suicide-bomber-helmand-taliban

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Talk72000:It shows the oil-rich countries mostly support Al Qaeda.

The US isn't all that oil rich but they had a large hand in inventing Al Qaeda, supporting them, nurturing them, looks like they may well have had a working relationship right up to 9-11.

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Court Documents Shed Light on CIA Illegal Operations in Central Asia Using Islam & Madrassas
Court Documents Shed Light on CIA Illegal Operations in Central Asia Using Islam & Madrassas
- Sibel Edmonds State Secrets Gallery Connects Pipeline Politics, Madrassas & the Turkish Proxies

http://lukery.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-light-on-cia.html

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There is nothing wrong with wanting your society to avoid brutalizing people inside and out; but there will always be those who deny it, or justify it...

So where were you when hippies were throwing red paint on soldiers and calling them baby bayoneters ? All those peace activists seemed rather brutal to me .

Says the idiot who thinks a source is something pulled from his psychotic meanderings.

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Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden,
and the Taliban

by Phil Gasper

The U.S. war on Afghanistan is a brutal attack on a country that has already been almost destroyed by more than 20 years of foreign invasion and civil war.' The Soviet occupation, which lasted from 1979 to 1989, left more than a million people dead. Millions still live in refugee camps More than 500,000 orphans are disabled. Ten million land mines still litter the country, killing an average of 90 people per month. At 43 years, life expectancy in Afghanistan is on average 17 years lower than that for people in other developing countries. The countryside is devastated and is currently experiencing a severe drought, with 7.5 million people threatened with starvation. The death and destruction wrought by the U.S. bombing campaign-and the cut off of food aid deliveries it has caused-have already killed hundreds and produced thousands more refugees scrambling to escape into Pakistan.

But not only is Washington attacking one of the poorest countries in the world, past U.S. government actions are in no small part responsible for the current situation in Afghanistan. The Bush administration claims to be targeting Osama bin Laden, who it says masterminded the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (even though it has offered no concrete evidence to back up this accusation), and Afghanistan's Taliban government, which is sheltering him. But as the Economist magazine noted soon after September 11, " [U.S.] policies in Afghanistan a decade and more ago helped to create both Osama bin Laden and the fundamentalist Taliban regime that shelters him." An examination of this history will reveal the extent to which U.S. foreign policy is based on hypocrisy, realpolitik, and the short-term pursuit of narrow interests.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html

Here are the guys that you make out to be heroes, those wonderful guys who champion the rights of people the world over.

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The objective of the intervention, as spelled out by Brezinski, was to trap the Soviets in a long and costly war designed to drain their resources, just as Vietnam had bled the United States. The high level of civilian casualties that this would certainly entail was considered but set aside. According to one senior official, "The question here was whether it was morally acceptable that, in order to keep the Soviets off balance, which was the reason for the operation, it was permissible to use other lives for our geopolitical interests." Carter's CIA director Stansfield Turner answered the question: "I decided I could live with that." According to Representative Charles Wilson, a Texas Democrat,

There were 58,000 dead in Vietnam and we owe the Russians one.... I have a slight obsession with it, because of Vietnam. I thought the Soviets ought to get a dose of it.... I've been of the opinion that this money was better spent to hurt our adversaries than other money in the Defense Department budget.

[Ibid]

Read it all, "brave" little "soldier".

Red paint and insults are a lot like napalm and high explosives...

It makes it easier when you "meaning all of us in the U.S" send someone else to fight the wars

When a military person is ordered to do something refusal will get them shot. They have an obligation to do as their told.

When I look at the Vietnam war, I see it full of failures. Why? Because we really didn't need to get involved in a war that was started on lies and falsehoods.

The tremendous crimes we have assaulted against the Vietnamese people is a crime against humanity no matter how anyone wishes to critique that war. We killing many innocent men, women, and children, and left their country in shambles. Our country used agent orange that resulted in deformed babies, and harmed our own military men and women.

Many of our soldiers were killed and maimed; many with PTSD, and were never able to return to a normal life.

If that's what you call a success, we have many of those in other countries that we were engaged in since Vietnam. We killed and maimed many of the innocent men, women, and children, and left their country in worse shape.

I guess we have a different perspective of what we call a "victory."

A COMPANY COMMANDER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTROLLING AND SUPERVISING HIS SUBORDINATES DURING COMBAT OPERATIONS

It has long been a custom of the service that, in general, a commander is responsible for the actions of his subordinates in the performance of their duties. This service custom was judicially underscored by Judge Latimer who stated in a concurring opinion, 'Military law recognizes no principal which is more firmly fixed than the rule that a military superior is responsible for the proper performance by his subordinates of their duties.' . For indeed, the responsibility of a commander for controlling and supervising his subordinates is the cornerstone of a responsible armed force.

The custom of the Armed Forces regarding command responsibility is well stated in FM 22-100, supra, para. 22: "The military commander has complete and overall responsibility for all activities within his unit. He alone is responsible for everything his unit does or does not do." This command responsibility does not, of course, extend to criminal responsibility unless the commander knowingly participates in the criminal acts of his men or knowingly fails to intervene and prevent the criminal acts of his men when he had the ability to do so.

Military commanders may also be responsible for war crimes committed by their subordinates. 'When troops commit massacres and atrocities against the civilian population of occupied territory or against prisoners of war, the responsibility may rest not only with the actual perpetrators but also with the commander. Such a responsibility arises directly when the acts in question have been committed in pursuance of an order of the commander concerned. The commander is also responsible if he has actual knowledge, or should have knowledge, through reports received by h'un or through other means, that troops or other persons subject to his control are about to commit or have committed a war crime and he fails to take the necessary and reasonable steps to insure compliance with the law of war or to punish violators thereof.'

In addition to controlling and supervising his subordinates, an Army officer, due to his superior rank and senior position, must conduct himself in an exemplary manner.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/MYL_LAW3.HTM