military action against Libya

@hawkeye10,

Your leader claims he is a lunatic, but they refuse to reveal the group that will replace him if he is removed.
Your leader is praying to Allah that the Muslim Brotherhood step in and take over Libya... that's not progress.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Your leader claims he is a lunatic, but they refuse to reveal the group that will replace him if he is removed.
Your leader is praying to Allah that the Muslim Brotherhood step in and take over Libya... that's not progress.

Holly **** H2O! When did you renounce your citizenship? And why didn't you tell us?

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@hawkeye10,

I never claimed to be a citizen of Libya... when did you renounce your manhood?

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@H2O MAN,

Today, in Benghazi, Senator McCain denied concerns about the possibility of extremist or al-Qaeda elements fighting alongside the pro-democracy forces, saying "they [opposition fighters] are my heroes".

I've smiled a bit when saw and listened to the Libyans greeted him and chanting, “ Thank you Obama! Thank you America! Thank you John McCain!"

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@Walter Hinteler,

So what?

Do you suddenly believe everything politicians say?

Do you also smile when you recall Obama telling America the unemployment rate would never go above 8% if we did what he wanted?

Walter, don't be so gullible.

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@H2O MAN,

I neither believe everything politicians nor did you get why I smiled (and actually, I didn't write why I did so)

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@Walter Hinteler,

I didn't get it, but I haven't had any coffee yet either Wink

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There just will not enough people to make any difference.

Every body makes a difference...

We make much of the myth of the individual, but individuals all buy of the rach and cower at the thought of standing out... If any of them could find the courage to think as individuals, which is a courage forced on most who know it, then they will enjoy for a moment the most power they may ever feel... I don't care how people rebuild society... The first job of any revolutionary is to tear down the old, shine a light on it and expose the rotton beams beneath...

All forms are forms of relationship... All relationships demand trust, and the trust is quickly leaving our relationship in the form of our governments and economies... The last ones out will be the first ones crushed when the whole rotten structure comes crashing down... Don't be the last one out... Start thinking about a better constitution, what rights are essential and what qualities makes them so... Best to ya... Do everything without me... Act or don't act as an individual...Don't ask for permission... Don't look for a mob to hide behind... Be a mob of one... Build new and enduring forms of relationship that you can invest trust in... The old way is dying, and it is death... Don't try to save it... Waste it...

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

So what?

Do you suddenly believe everything politicians say?

Do you also smile when you recall Obama telling America the unemployment rate would never go above 8% if we did what he wanted?

Walter, don't be so gullible.

No one should accept what politicians of any stripe say... When you are trying to stem the panic you tell lies... We have nothing to fear but fear, and etc.... The problem for all of them, and all of us is that just like the Great Depression... It took a long time to get rolling and it continued long into WWII... Hoover had it pretty well stopped, but the damage had been done...

So, don't call Mr. Obama a liar on the basis of a lie everyone wanted to hear... You will have better luck going to a dictionary for truth than to a politician... If your object were power over your own affairs, you would take it... If your object is to be the victim of the trust you must put in others who care only to get elected; then you must always endure politicians and their lies...

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@Fido,

Fido, don't discount the fact that Obama is a fantastic liar.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido, don't discount the fact that Obama is a fantastic liar.

Anyone who believes in the failed promise of capitalism is living in fantasy, and if they can repreat the lie they are fantastic liars... If no one considers the cost to the environment or humanity, then capital has done a great job... As a practical matter, ideology aside, we could do better if we just remove the extremely anti environmental, anti social, immoral, and usually illegal aspects of capitalism... If people want to preserve that monster, then harnass it to a plow, or make it give free rides... Do not accept that just because good is supposed to come out of it that good does come out of it... Take the time to prove the concept... Now; clearly, for a man like Mr. Obama with above average intelligence, and a law degree, and many millions from God knows where, the acceptance of capitalism at face value is not extreme, but understandable... That he should want to make capitalism work for more people is only rational... So; all your abuse of him when he is yours, and working for you and for the wealthy makes me wonder if you do not wish he were lying for your side instead of for the democrats...

It defies belief that anyone could call him a socialist... I have read a lot about socialism, and he is no socialist... But only asking for a little social justice is enough to brand anyone for life as a socialist... The right may not believe it, but it is selling socialism better than any socialist ever did... When people have to chose sides to see who will live and who will die, though you may call it success or failure, they will chose survival, no matter what you label it as...

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@Fido,

Fido wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido, don't discount the fact that Obama is a fantastic liar.

Anyone who believes in the failed promise of capitalism is living in fantasy...

F, what failed promise do you believe in?

I defy you to find a better system than American capitalism and a constitutional republic.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido, don't discount the fact that Obama is a fantastic liar.

Anyone who believes in the failed promise of capitalism is living in fantasy...

F, what failed promise do you believe in?

I defy you to find a better system than American capitalism and a constitutional republic.

There have been many better governments, but I do not spend any time comparing bad to worse when it comes to economies... I do not take failed promises water man... Show me the money... Show me the value... Show me the meaning... If the only way capitalism can work is by selling below the true cost to the environment and to humanity then it is a flop...

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@Fido,

Fido wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Fido, don't discount the fact that Obama is a fantastic liar.

Anyone who believes in the failed promise of capitalism is living in fantasy...

F, what failed promise do you believe in?

I defy you to find a better system than American capitalism and a constitutional republic.

There have been many better governments...

Such as... ???

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Go After Qaddafi
Stop worrying about an "exit strategy." What America needs in Libya is an entrance strategy.
By Christopher Hitchens

Quote:

In a weirdly neutral and vague joint op-ed article, written by heaven knows whom, President Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy persisted in defining the intervention as an essentially humanitarian one, presumably conducted under the rubric of the United Nations' nebulous "duty of care" doctrine. They also seemed to persist in saying that "regime change" is not a fully declared objective of the operation. The first claim is being badly undermined by the slow but heavy bleeding that is being inflicted on the wretched inhabitants of Misurata and other towns: a needless and costly prolongation of the agony. And the second claim is absurd on its face: You do not use drones and cruise-missiles against the armed forces of a state, and send weapons to that government's self-declared opponents, in order merely to modify the regime's behavior. The direct interference in Libya's "internal affairs" could not be more blatant than it is. Where is the virtue in pursuing this sporadically, with inadequate firepower, with no serious fighting forces on actual Libyan soil, and in letting the pace of events be dictated by the slowest-moving forces?
In effect, this half-baked approach leaves the initiative with Qaddafi. It also means that the mounting death rate, which recently included the lost life of my much-admired Vanity Fair colleague Tim Hetherington along with several others, is not justifiable by any commensurate military or political gains. These are lives that are being frittered away. Hetherington's last tweet described what he saw in Misurata the day before his death: "Indiscriminate shelling by Qaddafi forces. No sign of NATO." How shameful. What is utterly lacking in Libya, still, is an entrance strategy.

http://www.slate.com/id/2292067/

I disagree with Hitchens on where we go from here, but his analysis of the **** up to date is right.

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@Fido,

That's a lot of "ifs" to make it work. I don't see it happening during my lifetime, because I've seen the transformation of what it used to be like in this country until what we have today. All that transformation happened as everybody looked, and accepted what they saw.

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@cicerone imposter,

From the NYT.

Quote:

Also Monday, Italy, after weeks of declining to participate in direct bombing raids, said for the first time on Monday that it would begin striking select military targets in Libya.

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@cicerone imposter,

I wonder if a few countries are considering Libya to be a relatively safe opportunity to get in some live military experience.

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@roger,

Seems like the bully coalition are attracting more for the "practice" of their military hardware.

It would be much quicker if they killed Gaddafi - for all concerned. They're just prolonging the "war" that will end up killing more on both sides (to save one life?). Doesn't make any sense.

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@cicerone imposter,

Reagan should have taken him out when he had the opportunity, but Reagan was a compassionate conservative.

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