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military action against Libya

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 07:19 pm
@ossobuco,
From outsidethebeltway.

Quote:
Apparently, the Pentagon’s definition of a “support role” is a bit nuanced:

U.S. warplanes have bombed three ground targets in Libya since the Obama administration announced early this month that America was shifting to a support role in the NATO-led air campaign, the Pentagon acknowledged Wednesday.

Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said that U.S. fighter jets have attacked Libyan air defense sites as part of the no-fly zone imposed last month under a United Nations mandate to deter attacks against civilians by forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Kadafi.

Administration officials have said previously that the U.S. had halted strike sorties on April 4, several days after turning over command of the air campaign to the NATO alliance, and that attacks on Libyan tanks and other ground units would be handled by aircraft from Britain, France and other allies.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 07:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I missed that! Obama's truth scale is somewhat broken.


sounds like.......
Quote:
"When this transition takes place, it is not going to be our planes that are maintaining the no-fly zone,"


Quote:
the 11 U.S. aircraft have flown 97 of the 134 air defense mission sorties since April 4


Sorry but no, a Bill Clinton is not going to work here...they lied and mislead with purpose.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 07:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
Obama March 28
Quote:
Going forward, the lead in enforcing the no-fly zone and protecting civilians on the ground will transition to our allies and partners, and I am fully confident that our coalition will keep the pressure on Gadhafi's remaining forces.

In that effort, the United States will play a supporting role -- including intelligence, logistical support, search-and-rescue assistance, and capabilities to jam regime communications. Because of this transition to a broader, NATO-based coalition, the risk and cost of this operation -- to our military and to American taxpayers -- will be reduced significantly.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/03/28/Transcript-of-Obama-speech-on-Libya/UPI-45771301359661/#ixzz1JSQs0H3I


WOW, seems more than a little odd to not mention that we would still be flying over 70% of the no fly zone maintenance sorties....and actually dropping stuff from the planes with the intent to blow things up....
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 02:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
What part of we are part of nato dont you two understand. Planes yes, ground troops no.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:21 am
@RABEL222,
That Obama said we will only have "logistical support and medivac responsibilities." Bombing falls into what we term active warfare.
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 11:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
"Kinetic military action". Bombing may be the kinetic part.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Police action. Different from war. War used to be declared by congress when we had one. Congress I am refering to, not war.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 12:44 pm
@RABEL222,
Technically from the political pov, you are correct. However, whether they are police action or war, it still kills people the same way.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 04:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Technically from the political pov, you are correct. However, whether they are police action or war, it still kills people the same way.
I think it is cool... We invade or bomb places to save lives, and only equal the weaponry so the people know only more bloodshed, and no victory... If you can't kill them all and let God sort them out, let them kill each other and supply them the arms to do so... Worked for the native Americans... Works everywhere...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 04:43 pm
NATO'S LAST MISSION?
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Cries of alarm ring out from Italy, Qatar, Great Britain, and France that the NATO allies aren't doing enough to help the Libyan rebels stave off Muammar Qaddafi's troops and mercenaries.
Two thoughts come to mind: First, that's three more countries than usual complaining about NATO's lackluster response to an allied call to arms. Usually, it's the United States yelling at Europeans for not pulling their share of some burden. Second, whichever side of the Atlantic is wagging the finger or mumbling excuses, the question that everyone's tried to brush off the table for the past 20 years remains stubbornly in place: What is NATO for, anyway? Why does it still exist?


Libya marks only the third time in NATO's 62-year history that the alliance members have joined forces in battle. The first two were in Kosovo and Afghanistan. None of the three wars has had anything to do with the reasons for the alliance's creation. Nor has any of the three wars been waged as a unified alliance. In this sense, the strategic incoherence of the Libyan operation, and the frustrations it's unleashed, are nothing new.
http://www.slate.com/id/2291264/

It would be so fitting if thus bastardization of NATO performed in order to use it African civil wars would lead to its demise.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 06:27 pm
@Fido,
Exactly how will you achieve world peace ? Sing Gombaya and glad hand hippies ? Explain to terrorists that they are wrong to murder ?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 12:17 am
@Ionus,
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If the military stalemate continues on the ground, sooner or later the international community will be forced to swallow a bitter pill: Either they will have to push Gadhafi out the door through force, which can only be accomplished by deploying ground troops -- something which is not allowed under the current UN mandate. Or they will have to give up their demand that Gadhafi step down -- and sit down with the dictator at the negotiating table.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,756953,00.html
Sounds right.
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 06:50 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Exactly how will you achieve world peace ? Sing Gombaya and glad hand hippies ? Explain to terrorists that they are wrong to murder ?
Let me suggest that peace without justice is no dream, but a nightmare always bringing the world wide awake in hell... There is only one thing everyone has to learn to have peace, and it is ENOUGH... When people have enough today, they suddenly start wanting enough for their children and their children's children... They forget about enough and think only of more and more... And they have to take this more out of the grip of the living to have it to give to the unborn... We have enough if we do not abuse what we have for profit... Science will answer the questions we ask... It is not in the physical forms of science that our problems lie... Our problems reside in our moral forms... What is the meaning of all our infinite moral forms like liberty, or justice, or God, or happiness??? It is how we answer these questions, and by what method, and what we will do when we disagree over issues no one can prove that will determine whether peace or strife will rule our lives.. As it is, even when we seem at peace we are governed by strife... In that situation, enough will never be enough, but only more will be enough, and then when we have more then only more will be enough... Until we get better, nothing will get better, and only a change of forms will likely help us to improve... The old forms are dead, and they carry us to the grave... Some people celebrate that fact, and some morn, but all are carried on to their doom by the same forces of irrationality...
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 07:39 am
@Fido,
How can we convince Hezbollah, Hamas, and all the other millions of muslims around the world that violence is not the way to world peace?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 07:49 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
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How can we convince Hezbollah, Hamas, and all the other millions of muslims around the world that violence is not the way to world peace?
The US, which is actively using military force to impose our will in three nations, is not in a position to make that argument.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 07:58 am
@hawkeye10,
Did we impose our will on Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 08:08 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Did we impose our will on Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan?
I doubt that the muslim radicals care about the answer....we are using force to impose our will on three muslim nations right now, a bunch more if you include the CIA military programs, America cant argue against the use of force given our broad use of force against Muslim people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:15 am
@hawkeye10,
RD has it wrong; most Muslim countries do not produce terrorists. He's just misinformed like most other bigots who doesn't bother to learn the truth.

RD needs to check out the crimes committed in the good ole US (look at numbers and percentages per 1,000 population), and our crimes against other sovereign nations; are we more terrorists than rest of the world?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:21 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

The US, which is actively using military force to impose our will in three nations, is not in a position to make that argument.


Just how is the US imposing their will in three nations militarily?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:23 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

America cant argue against the use of force given our broad use of force against radical Muslim terrorist.


Our use of force against radical Muslim terrorist needs to broaden.
 

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