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Are you against Christian Sharia Law?

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 02:53 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

They can get married in 4 states.

The District of Columbia also allows same sex marriage.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Same rights I have.

They have the same rights only as long as they are in these states and the District... Well, excluding federal recognition and privileges.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I can't marry another man in the same states that they can't either.

Are you homosexual? Did you get married to your wife because she was the only person you could legally marry in your state? If you had been in one of those states, are you telling me that you would have preferred to marry a person of your same sex?

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

That means they have the same rights I do.

You have the right to marry a legally consenting person who you love, unless you are homosexual. Homosexuals are being denied rights we have.

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 03:20 pm
@failures art,
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Homosexuals are being denied rights we have.


No they are not. It is the dictionary that denies homosexuals marriage. They have "unions" which can, possible have, the same rights. Some would say more. Some a lot more. They only need do an oil change on their own car whereas a married man has two cars to contend with.

How far to you wish to go messing with the dictionary. Is "man" okay? Are we not all "persons"? Wife and husband are going out in favour of partner. We have uni-sex hair salons. We have uni-sex hospital wards which, I hope, are being phased out.

Why no uni-sex toilets fa? Have you got limits to your gender manipulation? The D.H. Lawrence hang-up. What homosexuals have done for the previously beautiful word "gay" is something they should be deeply ashamed of. I came across the word today twice reading Rabelais and the new meaning made the two sentences incoherent and distorted that great writer out of shape. That's straight theft of young people's literary potential.
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 04:06 pm
@spendius,
Is there a pragmatic necessity for separating hair salons, hospital wards, or bathrooms? I don't mind having separate bathrooms, but I've never felt it was due to any sort of need.

Civil unions don't have more rights. If you disagree, you can provide a state document that provides more rights to a civil union than to marriage.

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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 04:30 pm
@failures art,
No, I am not a homosexual. Therefore, you do admit you want special rights based on sexual orientation. I don't know where you support that in the US Constitution. Do you?

failures art
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 04:47 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

No, I am not a homosexual.

I didn't think so. However, you were talking about marrying men. I didn't know it had crossed your mind.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Therefore, you do admit you want special rights based on sexual orientation.

No. I want homosexuals to have the same rights as heterosexuals. I don't think they deserve extra rights on top of everything.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I don't know where you support that in the US Constitution. Do you?

You won't find anything saying one group should have more rights than another. Plenty of language on equal application of the law and equal rights though. All the more reason to not discriminate on homosexuals.

The main driving force to obstruct homosexuals from obtaining these rights have come from conservative Christians orgs. Christians have funded the effort to deny others rights that they get to enjoy. It is very sad to see religious groups try and force their views on the law in spite of constitutional promises of equality.

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 05:04 pm
@failures art,
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Is there a pragmatic necessity for separating hair salons, hospital wards, or bathrooms?


Yes--they undermine feminine mystique and without that women are completely fucked.

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I don't mind having separate bathrooms, but I've never felt it was due to any sort of need.


I assume you have avoided psychoanalysis on the basis that it is more comforting tweeting on a branch like a turtle dove.

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Civil unions don't have more rights. If you disagree, you can provide a state document that provides more rights to a civil union than to marriage.


State documents don't deal with the tasks a married man has to carry out which people in civil unions don't. Perhaps you are not married and have yet to experience the joys of that benighted state of bliss.

Are you a Martian by any chance?
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 05:06 pm
@failures art,
The law is equal. Marriage is between a man and a woman. That does not deny anyone their "rights". You don't even know where our rights come from You base your "rights" on the fact you dislike Christians and you blame them for disenfranchising homosexuals. That is false and I'll tell you why.

When California voted to make homosexual marriage legal it was turned down. 70% of blacks in California voted to turn it down. Now how can that be? Explain that to me.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2011 05:22 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
How can you explain anything RD to somebody who uses "bathroom" euphemisms? I asked him about toilets and he comes back with bathrooms as if he has answered the question.

He should commit himself to his 18 month girlfriend for better or for worse in sickness and in health till death parts them. Do homosexuals jump into that man trap? No. They avoid it and then start whinging about itsy-bitsy irrelevancies. I bet homosexuals can get divorced by walking out of the door.
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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 01:18 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

The law is equal.

It quite literally is not. The law as is currently allows for discrimination on the basis of sexuality. A few states lead the way in repealing that.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Only in religion, and not all of them at that.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

That does not deny anyone their "rights".

If two consenting adults wish to get married, what does it matter if they are the same sex?

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You don't even know where our rights come from

Our rights are natural. Our civil authorities are given the duty to protect them. You may feel you rights are divine in custody, but given the situation where your rights are challenged, I believe you'll report to the civil authorities just like I will. No god or gods will come to enforce your rights, only humans.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You base your "rights" on the fact you dislike Christians and you blame them for disenfranchising homosexuals.

Where have I said I dislike Christians? Not all Christians want their beliefs made into laws or want to have special privilege. I've never said I dislike Christians, and Christians probably make the majority of my friends. Many people I care for are Christians, why do you think I dislike them? I don't blame them for the disenfranchisement of homosexuals. In fact, I know many Christians (some on this forum) who feel the same about homosexuals being persecuted. They have frequently expressed their frustration and shame that groups of Christians use their religion to attack other people. This has nothing to do with disliking Christians.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

That is false and I'll tell you why.

When California voted to make homosexual marriage legal it was turned down. 70% of blacks in California voted to turn it down. Now how can that be? Explain that to me.


Actually, California voted to make same sex marriage illegal. At the time of the vote, the state allowed it. In terms of the black community, I don't know what your asking. Is there some special relationship between the black community and homosexuals that you're implying? As for how the vote came to be, I have plenty of thoughts. One thought is that people didn't know what they were voting on because the wording was confusing. To vote "yes" in the affirmative was to take away marriage rights, which is confusing if you think the question is (as you yourself framed it) whether you'd like "to make homosexual marriage legal." Another thing is that people may not have known what their vote meant in terms of the law. When it came out that the law might reverse existing marriages in the state, many people who voted for Prop 8 felt they had been lied to by it's promoters. In general, the Prop 8 propaganda was very misleading about the issue itself.

It was a very sad thing to see. It hurt many families.

I see the days of obstruction to be limited. DOMA will eventually have it's day in court once a good test case is allowed to make it to the USSC. Until then, lots of religious funding wins the day in most of the USA.

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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 03:42 am
@failures art,
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Until then, lots of religious funding wins the day in most of the USA.


Which is a serious form of voting. Mr Obama is said here to be going into re-election with $1,ooo,000,000 funding. Funds determine elections.

The Federal gov. doesn't recognise same sex marriage. The population of the 5 states is about 9 million which is 3% of the US popn. They are, apart from Iowa, clustered in the far north east so it looks like there is some traditional or economic reason for those states.

Casinos and brothels are allowed in some states I think and some say polygamy is in one. I daresay there are thousands of things which some states allow and not others. The age of consent varies. As does capital punishment. Drug use.

It's not an argument fa.

It's odd how you say that voters were confused in Cal. and not in the 5 states. It might be the other way round.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 06:33 am
@Renaldo Dubois,



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@Renaldo Dubois,
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They can get married in 4 states. Same rights I have. I can't marry another man in the same states that they can't either. That means they have the same rights I do.


Me: Read the following from your previous post, you said "another man." which is why I said bigamy is against the law in all states. I asked if you were male or female because if you are male it would have made no sense since you would be homosexual yourself being denied those rights. If you are a woman, it make you a bigamist which is against the law everywhere.



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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 06:39 am
I asked earlier what are the objections to Christian Sharia.
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 06:51 am
@spendius,
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I asked earlier what are the objections to Christian Sharia.


I'm guessing its the name "Sharia" it being Arabic which literally translates to "the way."
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:15 am
@failures art,
You are demanding rights based on sexual preference. That is discrimination. Are you going to expect us to believe that the USA has been discriminating against homos for over 200 years because we don't allow them to get married? Now that's funny.

Marriage is a state issue. Every state has marriage laws and always has. That is why you and you pals need to take everything to a liberal judge to get what you want even after the people have spoken.

You won't get very far by calling blacks stupid. I don't think my family takes that very kindly.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:34 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
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Your a "useful idiot".


Hey Boobie, it's "you're" not "your", idiot!

Rap
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:42 am
@raprap,
You're a useful idiot.

If you look at my post again, you will see that I edited that part out before you spoke. Thanks for being a useful idiot.
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:51 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Tangled in your strings yet again Renaldo?
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raprap
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:53 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Hey Boobie, just doing anything I can to improve your idiocy.

Rap
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:58 am
Oh c'mon. You know you all really secretly like me. Isn't it more interesting around here?
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 08:05 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Boobie, everybody likes to watch a train wreck.

Why do you think Donald Trump is a leading GOP candidate?
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