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No Respect for Teachers in the USA. Why?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 04:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I wonder whether u know about what the Red Chinese
and the North Koreans have accomplished in education.
You miss the critical difference....In America one is compelled to show up for an educational opportunity, there is no demand that anything happens.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 04:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
I wonder whether u know about what the Red Chinese
and the North Koreans have accomplished in education.
hawkeye10 wrote:
You miss the critical difference....In America one is compelled to show up for an educational opportunity,
Now, lemme see . . . when the Red Chinese did it,
did thay call it "horrible torture, brainwashing,"
or did thay call it something nice ?
Can u help my memory here, Hawkeye?

Maybe thay called it: "an educational opportunity"? I dunno.




hawkeye10 wrote:
there is no demand that anything happens.
I saw an American teenager on TV last nite
who is suing his science teacher for violently attacking him for failing a science test.
(undenied)
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 08:52 am
@Joe Nation,
I do have to say that the teachers throughout time have not received the support that I wish they had.

Not trying to say anything bad about teachers but why do they not speak up in a more collective voice about the ethical problems that our society has?
Do they need these problems to hit so hard at home before they start to teach the more important things.

There are many great professors on youtube speaking on many subjects. I wish that all teachers would take a crash course on many of these subjects. economics, neurophilosophy, history of religion, ethics, and so on.

This is just a concerned citizen speaking out intellectually!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqW4F-EQ9LM



Here is a student 20 years ago speaking out! Please take time to watch the ending.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACrQrzJGBM




talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 01:17 pm
Many university professors do not have the teacher's certificate and can't teach at all. Many deliberately "snow" the students with unnecessary data just to show how much they know but don't seem to care if the students pick anything. Many of the professors are there because they do good research. That is where the university hurts as there is no teaching but lots of knowledge.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 01:40 pm
@reasoning logic,
This may have been PJ ORourke that I am paraphrasing.

We need a politician honest enough to stand up and tell the truth.
The problem with education is not the teachers unions, the problem is not classroom size. The problem is not the lack of funding. The problem is your kids.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 02:04 pm
@parados,
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The problem is your kids.
The problem is the culture in the schools, which is only partly caused by the teachers.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 02:10 pm
@parados,
I do agree the problem is the environment that these kids are being exposed to when they are away from school for the most part!

We have one sick society that we are exposing these kids to!

Until we wake up and see our society for what it is progress will be hindered.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 02:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
The problem is your kids.
The problem is the culture in the schools, which is only partly caused by the teachers.
I object to the AUTHORITARIAN demeanor of some public teachers. (not all)

Let 's remember that the citizens are over the government,
(which thay created and nurture), not the other way around.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 03:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I object to the AUTHORITARIAN demeanor of some public teachers. (not all)
You were probably such a smart and good natured kid that you did not need whipping into shape by an authority figure. Most however do. I have no problem with authority in the schools from the adults, but I dont want to see cruelty or pumping them full of fear or lying to them trying to get them to do what is wanted....I want to see the culture of "learn or leave". If the kids dont want to take it seriously them lets dump them into vocational training, and leave the schools for those who want to learn.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 03:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
The filosofy disturbs me that government,
which owes its EXISTENCE to us, the citizens,
puts itself (e.g., in public schools) above those to whom it shoud look UP as gods.

the gods of its creation


It is twisted around backward.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
What disturbs me, David, is that you seem to think that government is some kind of singular entity with a singular mindset.

It's an idea believed strongly in many quarters, but one which is detached from reality.

Joe(Which may be why it fits so well on you. )Nation Very Happy
parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 07:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
filosofy?

Is that a pastry similar to filo?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 08:21 am
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
What disturbs me, David, is that you seem to think that government is some kind of singular entity with a singular mindset.
the mindset of control, as distinct from liberty



Joe Nation wrote:
It's an idea believed strongly in many quarters,
Yes, indeed, e.g. the fanatical commies and the fanatical nazis.




Joe Nation wrote:
but one which is detached from reality.
Historically, reality caught (cawt) up with them, tho it took a while,
for the 1000 Year Reich and for the Workers' Paradise.


Joe Nation wrote:
Joe(Which may be why it fits so well on you. )Nation Very Happy
Explain Y me?
I consider myself to be anti-authoritarian.
In my emotions, I tend to yearn & long for anarchy,
but in my mind, I understand that it is not practical, for several reasons.

R u accusing me of being authoritarian ?





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 08:30 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
filosofy?

Is that a pastry similar to filo?
That represents my disavowal n rejection (on an inconsistent, liberal basis) of using ph s to spell F.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 09:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
It also represents your disavowal of using vowels consistently in your phonetic machinations.

ɪ in philosophy

vs

ɑɪ in filo
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:24 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
It also represents your disavowal of using vowels consistently in your phonetic machinations.

ɪ in philosophy

vs

ɑɪ in filo
I value consistency a great deal, as a general rule.
In this: I take a more open minded approach.

In the end, efficiency might best be served
by a more flexible system of spelling,
designed to work its way around odd problems
as thay manifest themselves (e.g., maybe spelling rite
with a double letter, to accomodate RIGHT),
a system that employs RECOGNITION and remembrance
of rule variation that fonetic spelling teachers will inculcate
instead of promoting Chaucerian spelling. That can be a feasible system,
but again, I will defer to others qua the final, polished product.

In the meantime, I 'm merely pointing out that there r other ways
that r not as bad as the mistakes that I 'm avoiding
and that it is e z to do it my way; more so than to be a slave to the paradime.

I 'm getting a boost from the YOUNG,
in their natural abbreviations in their texting. That is helpful.

Success is inevitable.
I do not have a monopoly on laziness.
Humen will lay their burden down,
preferring to work smart, not hard n long
and humen can be flexible in their choice of practices.





David
parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I value consistency a great deal, as a general rule.

The only thing you are consistent with David is how inconsistent you are.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In the end, efficiency might best be served
by a more flexible system of spelling,

A more flexible system of spelling isn't more efficient. It is less efficient since it hinders communication. The reader is slowed down trying to figure out which word you were trying to use.

For instance this statement by you.
Quote:
Humen will lay their burden down,

Do you mean humans? Or is it humming? I have no idea how to pronounce what you are saying there since your use of u could be any one of several different sounds you use it for.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 01:32 pm
@parados,
David wrote:
In the end, efficiency might best be served
by a more flexible system of spelling,
parados wrote:
A more flexible system of spelling isn't more efficient. It is less efficient since it hinders communication.
The reader is slowed down [True.] trying to figure out which word you were trying to use.
The justification for applying a conservative,
orthodox approach is that we know that we 've got it PERFECT.
We r not ready for that yet in fonetic spelling.
We need to fine-tune it first.
After we have it just right, we can take a conservative,
non-varying filosofy of it.





parados wrote:
For instance this statement by you.
Quote:
Humen will lay their burden down,

Do you mean humans?
Yes; I 'm pulling for a paradime shift.




parados wrote:
Or is it humming?
No; Y humming? U can hum if u wanna.


parados wrote:
I have no idea how to pronounce what you are saying there since your use of u could be
any one of several different sounds you use it for.
The first syllable is the same as human
and the second one is the same as men (but u knew that).
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 04:21 pm
I share the same view point as this person speaking 9 minutes into this video! I was hoping that you may be able to point out to me where I am wrong in my thinking!

http://www.youtube.com/user/laroucheyouth#p/u/27/2BAdMvu3Lf8
 

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