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No Respect for Teachers in the USA. Why?

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 09:44 am
A breakdown of teachers salaries focusing on the % of teachers with 6-figure incomes.
Quote:
Almost half of the teachers in Township High School District 113, including Highland Park High School, took home six-figure salaries. (Michael Tercha, Chicago Tribune / July 11, 2010)

An extraordinary number of public school teachers in the Chicago region earned $100,000 or more in 2009, straining school budgets and taxpayer wallets and fueling the debate over what teachers are worth and how they get raises.

In the affluent enclaves of Highland Park and Deerfield, almost half the teachers in Township High School District 113 took home six-figure salaries — the highest percentage in the state.
In Park Ridge and Hinsdale, about 43 percent of high school district teachers earned $100,000 or more, according to a Chicago Tribune salary analysis.

Six-figure teacher salaries of that magnitude are rare elsewhere in Illinois and in most parts of the country.

—About 4 percent of teachers statewide earned $100,000 or more — 5,457 teachers — but the vast majority worked in the Chicago suburbs, with heavy concentrations in north Cook, DuPage and Lake counties. In all, 32 Chicago-area districts paid at least 20 percent of their teachers six figures — five times the state average.

—Districts used taxpayer dollars to pay $100,000 salaries even as they struggled with red ink. A third of districts with unusually high concentrations of teachers making six figures — at least 10 percent of teachers — posted operating deficits in 2008-09, according to state financial data.

—Six-figure teachers were unevenly distributed, with high school teachers making up 60 percent of the group — more than double their representation in the teaching force. Affluent suburban districts had the largest concentrations of six-figure teachers. Less than 1 percent of Chicago Public School teachers earned $100,000 or more in 2009.
More pdf


The high school is pushing a referendum next month to sell bonds to "renovate/improve the pools and other athletic facilities". In this econonomy?!?!?! They want better swimming pools and athletic fields? It'll pass. We never say "no" to education costs here.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 10:03 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
we the taxpayiers not so much. 90K pay means about 97K cost to the state with taxes or $48.50 / hour that the teach takes home.

Since when does any worker take home the taxes their employer pay? Just curious hawk.


don't employees also pay taxes on their income in the U.S.?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 10:03 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Average compensation package here is $96,500.


how does that happen when less than 1% make over $100,000?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 10:05 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

A breakdown of teachers salaries focusing on the % of teachers with 6-figure incomes.
Quote:
Less than 1 percent of Chicago Public School teachers earned $100,000 or more in 2009.

JPB
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 10:48 am
@ehBeth,
I don't live in the city. I'm in the area where nearly 50% make 6 figures. Also, that 96,500 figure takes K-12 into account. The HS teachers make more than the K-8 teachers.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 10:59 am
'Compensation' package probably includes fringe benefits in its average, not to be confused with 'annual salary' average.

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/teachers1.htm

And click on 'Average Salary, by Year, of Illinois Public School Teachers'

It includes the number of school districts in Illinois that employ teachers earning 6-figure+ salaries.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 9 Mar, 2011 07:02 pm
@Irishk,
Based on the information there Irish, all salaries include retirement

From the reporting form as listed in Appendix D

Quote:
(If your district pays for retirement,
and if salaries in the schedule do not include retirement, please add the retirement dollars to the salaries when reporting in Part D.)


http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/pdfs/teacher_salary_09-10.pdf
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 9 Mar, 2011 09:40 pm
@parados,
I was referring to fringe benefits, which would include much more than retirement contributions.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 06:53 am
@Irishk,
Yes,

Your source also lists the average compensation package above salary (salary includes retirement.)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 12:42 pm

Point of Information:

Is there a reason that special and exceptional respect
shoud be accorded to teachers, as distinct from other ways of making a living ?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 12:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Is there a reason that special and exceptional respect
Yes, it is a challenging and noble profession. It is in service to the collective good more so than most work...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Is there a reason that special and exceptional respect
hawkeye10 wrote:
Yes, it is a challenging and noble profession.
It is in service to the collective good more so than most work...
I have done it, once in a while; I did not feel noble.

If someone asks me which way is North
and I tell him, does that make me Noble ?

Do u feel noble when u give someone information ?
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:06 pm
@parados,
If I were to guess, I'd say 'compensation package' would include salary, employer pension contribution and fringe benefits such as health, life, disability and dental insurance; vacation/holidays; sick leave and retirement health care.

And based on what the wealthier districts pay their public school personnel (salary + fringe benefits), I'd think JPB's statement of the average compensation package being $96,500 is probably accurate (for her school district).
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:08 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Do u feel noble when u give someone information
Education is not the providing of information, it is the training of minds. Doing this well is critical to the success of our civilization, and doing this well takes a great deal of skill.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
Do u feel noble when u give someone information
hawkeye10 wrote:
Education is not the providing of information, it is the training of minds.
Doing this well is critical to the success of our civilization,
and doing this well takes a great deal of skill.
When we created government in America,
after we threw out the English, did we grant it jurisdiction
to interfere with the minds of the citizens????
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If someone asks me which way is North
and I tell him, does that make me Noble ?


that is not teaching
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:18 pm
@ehBeth,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If someone asks me which way is North
and I tell him, does that make me Noble ?
ehBeth wrote:

that is not teaching
It IS teaching him which way is North,
if he gets accurate information.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 01:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
When we created government in America,
after we threw out the English, did we grant it jurisdiction
to interfere with the minds of the citizens????
I think that any teacher will tell you that one can not teach a person who has not consented to be taught. There is no jurisdiction or rights violation.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 03:26 pm
@hawkeye10,

Quote:
When we created government in America,
after we threw out the English, did we grant it jurisdiction
to interfere with the minds of the citizens????
hawkeye10 wrote:
I think that any teacher will tell you that one can not teach a person who has not consented to be taught.
I wonder whether u know about what the Red Chinese
and the North Koreans have accomplished in education.

Survivors thereof have written about it.
Maybe u have not chanced to come upon this body of knowledge.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 03:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
By the way,
I notice that your approach to jurisdictional analysis
is to assume that it exists, until u discover otherwise (e.g.,8th Amendment)
rather than to assume that it does NOT exist
until u can find where it WAS granted to government.




Well, u HAVE admitted to being a socialist,
so maybe I gotta expect some things.
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